Define which files in search belong to one file
 

Let's say I searched for a file x.avi, which has exagt size of 500 megs.
I find with this exact size these files:
x.avi
x_divx.avi
x_HQ_Divx.avi
...

I know they are all the same file with different names. But they are listed as separete items. Is it possible to tell XoloX, that all these files are the same so that he can try to download from all these files?

You will never see any two hits from a single search with the exact same file size. All hits that match your query and have the same size are counted as the same and increase your score.

I think you're wrong with this one seeker.

I think that only files that have the same filename AND filesize
are grouped. So i.e. you can still find 'BLABLA.avi' and 'BLABLA [DivX].avi' both having te same size.

And if, like in this case, you know that both files are in fact the same file...it will be a handy option if you can say to the program that these files are in fact the same, and that it can use both of these 'source-groups' to download the file.

I have done a LOT of testing with this software. In a single search, no matter what the search was for, I have NEVER seen two files with exactly the same size. I HAVE seen files with a slightly different name come up with the same size as what I'm downloading when searching AGAIN, but all this means is that someone with a differently named file that matched my search responded first.

Take, for example, Wheetus, Teenage Dirtbag. This is from my resumeinfo.txt file (with all the extra junk removed):

teen <- search term(s) used
x:\path\xolox\downloads\wheatus -teenage dirtbag.mp3 <- local filename when complete
4094080 <- file size

/¯¯¯¯¯¯¯List of (remote) file names in the HOST fields¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\

Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
(Wheatus)-Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag .mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus- Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag (Loser soundtrack).mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Weedus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - TeenageT Dirtbag.mp3
wheatus - teenage dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
mp3/Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag (Loser soundtrack).mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Weedus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag (Loser soundtrack).mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Weathus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
wheatus - teenage dirtbag.mp3
Weetus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3.mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag (Loser soundtrack).mp3
Weedus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag (Loser soundtrack).mp3
Wheezer - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Weedus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - TeenageT Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Weetus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus-Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag (Loser soundtrack).mp3
(Wheatus)-Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Weezer Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag (L.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag .mp3
Teenage Dirtbag.mp3
Wheatus - Teenage dDirtbag.mp3
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Note all the different spellings of "wheatus" some even called it wheezer, or didn't name an artist.

Xolox desn't re-search by filename, but rather by your original search terms. This request is moot.

This isn't true - I've currently got 4 versions of the same file in my download list, they all have the same filesize and close names and they're all completed differently. They've been there for 2 weeks and their respective percentages complete add up to well over 100%, yet no one file is more than half downloaded.

I'd love to be able to drag and drop them together and have Xolox realise that they were the same file - that way they would be done by now. I'll of partially wasted my time downloading 3 of them.

If you run a seperate search, then yes, you can add the same file into your download list. Same size, same name and size even. What I was saying, is that for any given single search you will never see two files with the same file size. Again, I'm talking about the Search page, not the Transfers page.

A quick question before I respond to the following statement... Why are you searching for and downloading something that is on your download list already? Are you at least using different search terms than you used the first time?

This would be somewhat useful with the current downloading scheme, but a more useful request might be to allow for multiple, seperate, searches for a single file, and the ability to recognize if a file is already on your download list before adding it. Unfortunatey, this would require some sort of unique file IDing, such as the CRCs XoloX used when it first startd (slow) or SHA1/MD5 or some such thing¹. I think that eventually this will be integrated back into the program, but for now you have to pay attention to what you are downloading to avoid duplication and wasted bandwidth.


¹H.U.G.E.

Nope - because people go online and disconnect all the time, frequently I want a file where there is only a few copies available (in total) with different filenames, every time I seach I'll come up with a renamed version of the same file and add it to my list. The files complete over the course of a fortnight or so (as the host and myself are rarely connected for the same period), often the one that only had 12% complete will finish first and I delete the other ones, which are often nearly complete.

Because I'm going for files that are usually very new I often feel like I'm wasting connections to the hosts for doing this - other people could be getting the file in the time I'm wasting with my half dozen partially completed files.

As I said, I do it deliberately; I don't mind wasting the bandwidth as it's really rare that 2 differently named copies are on at the same time.

Is there any way I can unite the filenames (if I got them under multiple searchs at different times) in the log file?

I doubt that CRC checksums would really fix the problem when it comes to mp3s. There could be five identical versions of a song, but if there is id3 tag information in each song, it has to be identical in each song. Different id3 tags will add a different number of bytes to each file, changing the file size, so you can't rely on that, either.

For relatively small files, such as mp3s, there is little that can be done, however given that the typical file size IS so small, one can download it fairly quickly without difficulty.

For larger files (e.g. movies, divx, etc.) there are likely to be LESS original varsions floating around. Any bonehead can rip a cd track and compress it to an mp3; there's no real magic to it. But, I don't know many people who can rip a dvd, crunch it with divx, and share it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Unregistered


Nope - because people go online and disconnect all the time, frequently I want a file where there is only a few copies available (in total) with different filenames, every time I seach I'll come up with a renamed version of the same file and add it to my list.


Don't do this.

Do ONE search and select multiple items that seem similar but have different file sizes (different recordings but the same original content).

Look in your transfer view and pause the less desirable download and hope that the best download completes.

If all of the people who have the first recording go offline and step in front of a bus then you can unpause the less desirable copy. Sometimes the first recording is bad and you need to go back to the 2nd choice too.

REALLY, REALLY try not to do multiple searches for the same item. If they have been renamed since your last search then Xolox will allow you to add it to your download list again even if the original download is still in progress.

Sometimes your download seems to be stalled although the score indicates that there should be more people out there with the file. Don't fret about this. The score may be aritificially high (cached data?) or Xolox may be in the process of searching out some new hosts. Have faith that your download will pick up.

I too was cought in this problem before and with Seekers help I have trained myself not to do multiple searches.