I'm affraid your to right there ukbobboy, a recent inquiry showed that 75% of home computers are infected with spyware.
Most people have no clue about spyware. As long as their computer works everything is OK.

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Dear RaaF

You are spot on, and the growth in "phishing" has shown above all else that home PC security is that last thing on home users minds.

Phishing used to, and still is, con men from Africa trawling the Internet for gullible home users who are stupid and greedy enough to give away their bank details. Now, because it has been so profitable for these small time con artists, the Mafia type criminal gangs have moved in on it, albeit with more sophistication.

Simply put, if someone walked up to you in the street and asked you for your bank details you would tell that person to get lost. Yet there are loads of people willingly giving out their bank details simply because they received an email asking for it.

You know, along with PC security software a little common sense goes a long way, it’s just that PC home users tend not to bother.



UK Bob

ukbobboy01 wins the november 'Most Honest Exposure of Internet Idiots' Award !!!

Man, that IS the way IT IS... :mad:

[Enter RANT Mode]

The majority of 'complaint' posts here, and in all other p2p based forums, are written by children (of ALL ages) who make no effort whatsoever to protect themselves from the 'outside internet baddies', never 'clean' their HDDs, never defragment their HDDs... Never anything...

And they blame their problems on the client...

end rant

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Dear LW People

As if to emphasise my previous post about phishing, this just turned up today.

It makes interesting reading:




UK Bob

Doh. I had to look the meaning of phishing up. Learn something new everyday. lol

Yes you are right the most users don´t care about security but they see if a program is stable or not.. but you claim that one of two identical programs is better than the other... this makes no sense. Your experience don´t count, did you test both versions for several weeks? Did you try to compare the behaviour? Or did you just switch to the other version as the first bug showed? Do you know that some bugs only show seldom?


To make it short its funny that you try to persuade the developers that they coded two different programs with the same code.

Morgwen

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Dear Morgwen

I think you have read more into my posts than I intended, I am not debating the technical merits of the International installation over the English or whether one version is buggier than the other.

What I am saying is that the International installation of LW Pro has not caused me any problems whatsoever and since I use my PC for other things, which are much more important to me than just using LW, I will not take the chance of destabilising my computer for the possibility of using the English version with Java V1.5.

As I said before, I will wait until there is a unified (installer) version of LW Pro available, which has the ability to detect the latest installed Java applet on my PC.

I hope that this clears up any misunderstands that you may still have.




UK Bob

Hmm...

you said that in your experience the international version is more stable, didn´t you?

You can wait if you don´t want to follow Sam Berlins suggestion, we live in a free world where everybody can choose...

Morgwen

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Dear Morgwen

You state that I said:

Well actually no, I have never ever said that one version is more stable than the other. I have said in the past that the International version seems to be recommended over the English, but that is purely my own impression.

I have only mentioned "experience" when writing about my colleague, who had a cavalier attitude, and my sister that refused to use a firewall. Both got themselves into some serious trouble, my colleague's PC got hi-jacked and my sister's PC became almost unusable.

Here endeth the lesson.




UK Bob

It is free choice. On some people's systems the international installer is much easier to install than the so-called english installer. They use different types of installers. But I wonder
ukbobboy01, if you keep your installshield engines up-to-date (which is something many people haven't done which leads to their installation problems & resort to using the inter'l installer) perhaps you would be fine to use the english installer. I have a link in the sticky thread about installshield errors (in the installation/windows section) for updating these engines. But then I've found some people have had to go backwards from Java 1.5 to 1.4.2 due to problems on their setup. PC's are so, so variable. Why doesn't evreybody go out & buy a mac & their problems would be solved. Hey no SP2 or installshield to contend with, etc. No ram limitations. No Viruses to be bothered with. lol

No not directly, but you said this:

You said one reason why you use the international version is because its stable, which means that the English version isn´t stable!

If you don´t think that one version is more stable than the other you should´t say that this is a reason why you use only one version.

Morgwen

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You know LOTR

You are so right, PCs are not only variable they are also very temperamental. In the past, I have worked on two PCs, both from the same manufacturer and the same model, in fact they had consecutive serial numbers so they both came of the production line at the same time. Yet when trying to enhance them with the same make and model of network card, operating system and application software one of the two PCs decided not to work in the same way as its brethren.

I have worked with PCs over a number of years and I do know that a stable PCs can be pushed into instability by the smallest of things, such as an applet, the addition of a piece of hardware or even the uninstalling of some unused software.

That is why I am loathed to change something I know works for something that may or may not bestow any benefits, it’s just too risky.




UK Bob

PS. Why don’t I buy a mac instead? I guess I like the fact that I can customise my PC to suit my needs, providing I don’t go too much beyond that, then I am OK.

Dear Morgwen

Again, you have inferred something that I did not mean, if you look at my reply to LOTR you will see exactly what I meant when I said that the International version is "stable".

PCs, at the best of times, can be very temperamental and I do not want to take to chance of upsetting my PC’s current stability, the International version works for me, hence it is stable. This does not detract from the English version which, I understand, has given some LW users problems.



UK Bob

Simple question why do you say the reason why you use the international version is the stability? How do you know that the English version isn´t also stable? What I try to explain you is that if you don´t have problems with the international version you won´t have any with the English version, too. As I said same code same program!!!

The statement that the international version is stable is senseless...

Btw if some users have problems with the English version this doesn´t mean they won´t have problems with the international version. You can´t compare your computer with one of these users there are several reasons why they might have problems but perhaps you won´t have these problems, because you have a different OS, different firewall, different version of LW, different JAVA version, different settings etc.

As I said don´t say that the reason why you prefer one version is because its stable if you don´t think that the other version isn´t stable...

I asked me why you want to update the JAVA version this can also upset your PC be "carefull". You can never update your OS or your Limewire or any other program you use. An you can´t install a new program this "might" upset your PC... you are a little to much paranoid.

Morgwen

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Dear Morgwen

Your reply seems to have taken on a religious zeal and, as such, cannot be argued with. All I can really say is that if I think something is good it does not mean that I think something else is bad, that is an inflexible way of thinking.

Suffice to say that my policy of caution towards my PC, which you call paranoia, has kept my family and I in good stead for the past two years and I am not prepared to jeopardise that by carrying out unnecessary tests or installations.

And finally, I have enjoyed using LW Pro for the past six months, ever since version 4.0.7, and have renewed my subscription for another six months but LW is not the most important thing I use my computer for.




UK Bob