I really starting to get upset. So I have a laptop and a desktop. I installed limewire on my laptop that just had a fresh format and windows xp install NO service packs. And it still wont work, so I decided to rip my router out and I connected my laptop directly to the wirless internet modem and turned my firewall completely off. Still nothing, I tried the beta and the regular basic. Tried the same approch with my desktop that has ALL windows updates including SP2, turned off firewall connected directly, still nothing, not even an internet connection not detected just tries to connect then says disconected. I just cant figure it out, thanks still for the continuous help im not givin up yet