jesus xmas i am getting confused, 512kbps is better than 849kbps now that pickles me, my brain is starting to sizzle, i never considered myself this stupid before, oh and to your leecher question, in no way am i a leecher, thats why i want to get best results for me and others, thats why i'm trying to figure this out, so works for all, i totally agree with what you say,