Grand Pa just dont know what is what i have the latest ver. of java. and in my macafee fire wall it say's lime wire in permited to send and recv. with other pc's on the net work . i have put the exception in window's fire wall to accept prograhm. it still just does not work worth a darn. and i even have windows fire set to off. in exceptions upnp fram work have added port's to allow it to work on udp & tcp port 8246 . to day i turned on pc it connected and worked for about 2 hours or so then it went off and said starting connection but would not connect back has not worked any more . my cable previder said they do not block lime wire or any p2p service that i can use thru my pc. just dont know. i have tried all kind different port num. to try to get one to work. thanks for reply grand paw