yea i'm in the same boat as you, the only reason why I actualy even signed up on this forum was maybe to get some help after several weeks of getting annoyed, i'm sure that when more people start coming forward they'll see it's not just "me" with this so-called problem since i was like the only one who posted, yet there are more then just me now posting about it too.

edit, I actualy was able to find a 4.12.8/11 installer yet still didn't work i know it had to have been older then that one because i really don't update much. ughgugugug