Thanks for the help mickjapa, the only windows update I've done since LW last worked is the microsoft GDI + DETECTION TOOL (KB873374) for windows ME. I've switched to manual port & tried various port #'s like u suggested, still no luck. I'm not using a router, but I do use an ethernet(?) adapter model DFE-530TX+ EXPRESS 10/100Mps PCI ADAPTER D-LINK ver. 1.02. I had to install this when I moved up here in the woods because DSL is the best we can do up here. That was over 2 yrs. ago. every thing was fine until about a week ago. I fooled around uninstalling / installing LW & JAVA for several hours monday & the brick wall vanished briefly but I still couldn't get connected, now it's back. Well, computers will teach you patience. ( i guess!). well thanks again.