ive already tried turning them both off and that didnt work so i tried one at a time and still no connection. i really think port forwarding will work if i could just get it to work so if anyone can help me with that it would be great. ive also tried phex, which i believe is also on the Gnutella network if im not mistaken, and that had the same problem as limewire. i was just wondering if another program on another network would be better. if so, what would that be?