Up until this post, so had I. I had always been giving this link: Java 1.5 (take the JRE), but noticed Birdy had been giving the above link. I didn't realise it was the previous sub-release. I only noticed it was easier for people for see the JRE version lol Thanks for pointing that out. It seems to also work for people Birdy has refered it to ... so probably both are ok.