I just deleted it the way you said.....I opened up the LimeWire and the gnutella file wasn't in there.....so i put it back in there....and yes i went into the program files as well as the registery to make sure all LimeWire folders were gone.....i got rid of the new java and put in the one you suggested.....should i try dl'ing the beta version instead of the 4.14.12 version?