hi guy's its me nicknj6 the newbie again. thanx for the heads up, ran into a prob could'nt delete it says there is a version of lw running in another folder, ideleted all i found even uninstalled the prog still could not delete. I'm not thick guys i have a brain tumor which creates i's own firewall at times granpa, i have 4 of my own they call me grandaddy nick, thanx for hanging in there with me guys