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Old July 19th, 2011
ThorTheGreat ThorTheGreat is offline
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WARNING TO ALL GNUTELLA LOVERS: We built this network up...we spent 10+ years doing tihs...tens of millions of us...first the spammers try to sc*** us...then limewire scr**s us...and now frostwire is doing the same thing...join the debate and let your voice be heard...let them know that utorrent, bittorrent, etc=torrent...frostwire=gnutella...let your voices be heard...before it's too late and frostwire kills gnutella forever...

Since frostwire switched to torrent only...there's been MUCH fewer legit results and even MORE spam...less legit results+more spam=less users=less legit result=more spam, etc, etc...see where this is going? the END of gnutella...frostwire CLAIMS that torrents MIGHT evntually have MOST of our music back but come on, really?!? torrents have been around for 10+ years...150,000,000+ users...and still...NO WHERE near the amount of music on gnutella...

Worst part is that frostwire has NOT changed ANY of their pictures or descriptions on sites like cnet, etc...they still CLAIM to be a fork of limewire and support gnutella...if you ask me...they should not only change the description that THEY can change...but they should also contact CNET to rereview the software and remove teh current review posted on CNET...which is a 100% lie right now...

The worst part is that they're FORCING people to get the new version of frostwire...if someone does the "new and improved update" as frostwire claims and doesn't like the new version...well...unless they know about forums like this...which most peoiple do NOT...there goes another FrostWire user from the gnutella network and all of their music with them...and another...and another...until there's nothing left on gnutella but spam...

The FEW and I mean VERY few (maybe 2-3) users that had anything good to say about the new frostwire have ZERO other posts...there are more posts than I can count with complaints about the new version...asking frostwire to go back...

There's a revolt building up against the new gnutellaless frostwire...check out the frostwire forums for more of us than I can count posting about how much they hate this "new" version...

Here's what the latest post from me is...questions that the makers of frostwire have been avoiding, including a quote from another user that's also more than a little ticked about this "new direction" frostwire is going in:
You were not to encourage users to upgrade to a newer version, but you had to tell that from this day forward, support for Gnutella would have been abandoned.
And in my opinion, the client name should be changed.
This to be fair and honest with users.

Many beginners and inexperienced believed they upgrade to a newer version.
But this is not an upgrade, this is a new beginning. Frostwire 5.x is a client that has nothing to do with the version 4.

You are 100% right and exactly what all of us have been saying...the makers are NOT being honest with us...and that's one of the reasons we're soooo upset...they're NOT being honest and NOT lisnteing to what ALL of us have been saying and what we're asking for...the GODO working verison of Frsotwire back...V4...

Zooky: you said that we should come up with good ideas and that's what more users than I can count have come up with...ADD GNUTELLA...OUR MUSIC BACK IN...

Hobo and Gubatron (you seem to be the makers of frostwire): All we're asking for is a very simple answers that MORE users than I can count have been asking and you guys have been avoiding and NOT answered. We just want some HONEST answers to ALL of the quesions we've been asking...the EXACT same questions and why so many of us are upset:

1) Hobo, according to you and this other guy aron on here...if you use frostwire V4...WITH gnutella...and follow the steps about getting rid of the spam...YOU guys said it works almsot spam in V4...and you know're 100% right...I tried it...follow the steps and there's almost NO spam in frostwire 4. Since YOU guys know how to get people to remove the spam in V4 and it works...WHY create a new version that NO ONE likes...without gnutella? Yiou claim this is to "eliminate spam" but according to you and you're 100% right...if you follow the steps you provide then V4 has almost NO spam: So again, if you CAN get rid of the spam in V4 then WHY exactly did you get rid of V5 and claim there's no spam in there when you can do the EXACT same thing in V4?

2) Why EXACTLY was gnutella support removed? It can't be because of the spam as per above. gnutella support is what frostwire PROMISED to all of us...the continuation of limewire...a fork of limewire...if people were told otherwise they woudl NOT have been using frostiwre or switched to frostwire...look at how many people are leaving frostwire now. FrostWire ALWAYS had gnutella support built in as the MAIN why not give the USERS the CHOICE of what they want to search rather than FORCING them to search only ONE network that's cr** for music compared to gnutella? Again, that's the BIGGEST question. Why not leave frostwire the way it was for AGES with support for BOTH torrent and gnutella? and pleae don't say "we couldn't have both torrent and gnutella in at the same time" because you had it like that for YEARS without any issues. in fact if ANYTHING...ALL of us have even said...if you had a chocie of only ONE network to conntinue with it shoudl be GNUTELLA and NOT MANy have said...utorrent, bittorrent=torrent, frostwire=gnutella

3) In MANY places hobo and gub, you both AGREE that the new frostwire has a FRACTIOn of the music of the old version of frostwire...V4...and then say that "eventually it SHOULD build up with time...give it time and MAYBE we'll see whatw we had before". Firsty, PLEASE think about what you guys are even saying for a minte and how that sounds. But HOW is that possible? Haven't torrents been around for over TEN years? I read there are somewhwre around 100,000,000 (ONE HUNDRED MILLION) people using utorrrent and bittorrent combined with these other torrent proghrams there must be what...over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION torrent users...YET...after ten years and that many STILL cannot find a fraction of the msuic you can on the old frostwire V4 which worked on gnutella. So HOW exactly will we EVER get ALL of the music back that we spent 10+ years builuding up to share?

4) A LOT of us jhave noticed that on CNET and other software haev NOT updated the descrition wich CAN have updated the little descrioton when you first seaech that comes up...but you have NOT touched the long descritpn that appears when someone clicks on "frostwire" for more information...or even contacted cNET about THEIR review about CONTINUE to claim that frostwire is a "fork of limewire" and works with gnutella...which it does haven't even updated the pictures on cnet and other here's the question: Why are you NOT being honest with people and updating this inforamtion, telling them the TRUTH about this new version...that this is NOT a fork of limewire now and has NO gnutella support?

5) Was your plan all along to switch users to bittorrent? PLEASE be honest about this because as you can see, there are MANY of us asking the exact same question and we can see the pattern here. First you defaulted V4 to searching bittorrent only a while back...then in a later version you turned off file sahring by default...and now you 100% get rid of gnutella and msot of our music. So again, was this the plan all along?

6) Why did you turn file sharing OFF by default in a recent version of frostwire V4? Wasn't this counterproduvtive and meant less legit files and even MORE spam and NOT less? You could have simply turned off ALL file sharing but music/movie files so that this would avoid the "accidential" sharing you used as the reason you did this...limewire did EXACTLY this...had ALL sharing turned off BUT music/ fact...the ONLY time limewire seemed to turn off ALL sharing was around the time they were taken down and about to make a HUGE change...shutting it down...which is EXACTLY what you guys at wfrostwire did...just before you switched to torrent ONLY you turned off all file sharing by defailt on frostwire V4...again, was this done to make people think gnutella wasn't that good anymore and like/switch to your 100% torrent only version of frWostwire?

7) Just as others have said, if you wanted to create a 100% torrent only thing then why not make a NEW program rather than calling it frostwire? this is NOT a fork of limewire anymore and has nothing to do with limewire or what frostwire v4 is. So again, why not create a SEPERATE name and program and then let us USERS decide what we want to download/use rather than continue to decieve people?

8 ) Based on what you see in the forums here and on sooooo many other sites...based on sooooo many of us asking yuo to go ask us what WE want and for OUR feedback...well we're telling you. So why are you NOT adding in what ALL of us have been asking for and what you alraedy had -- the gnutella suppoort and the you had it before? You wanted feedback on what we want...well, haven't enough people alraedy asked for this and hasn't enough damage been caused to gnutella already?

9) say that you also love gnutella and want to continue to support it, but is it just me or has there been even MORE spam and MUCH fewer legit results since you guys made this change to torrent only in frostwire v5? Of course! Maybe that's because there are fewer people using V4...and NOT because they like V5...but because they get V5...don't like it...and have NO CLUE how to get V4 back unless they know about these forms...PLUS you 100% got rid of V4 from almsot EVERYWHERE...fewer legit files now on gnutella...which means even MORE spam. So here's the question: Don't you agree that based on this, as people upgrade to V5 (most of which will haev NO clue how to get V4 back after they try V5 and don't like it) won't this mean even LESS legit files on gnutella and EVEN more spam? Won't tihs lead to the end of Gnutella? Won't the spammers 100% take over as there are even fewer legit results?

10) Why NOT provide BOTH versions V4 and V5 on the frostwire website and on downlaod sites. You say you want to "continue to support and develop gnutella," so then why NOT have V5 and V4 up at the same time? Of course, the best solution wuold be as per Q7, create a NEW name and website for this NEW torrent only program you have which has NOTHIGN to do with frostwire now.

All we want are some honest answers to questions that no one seems to want to answer...avoids answering...and comes up with answers that make no sense...question #2...why not leave

it the way it was and let us USERS make teh choice what network to search just as it's always been...things like that have been asked MANY times but never answered...
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