Thank you for the reply, Bobomon. Yes I guess I will have to play with it a little bit to see what actually works. As it is now, I cannot have LIMEWIRE. At least not v 2.5.5 . And the link to the older versions doesn't work. (what else is new?) Maybe I'll try the other Java program. The thing is that I need a much larger program than the one that LW links to because I am TRYING to learn the Java language and therefore need the whole program. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this predicament though. Thanks again for your help. If I figure it out, I'll pass along the info. Joe