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Old September 25th, 2003
cheapprick cheapprick is offline
Join Date: September 24th, 2003
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cheapprick is flying high

I already read them. He makes no better a spokesman than I would.

Some of the stuff you've posted at various sites was complete fabrication though. You know ZP doesn't "sell IP's", nor would there be a legitimate market for them. Even with the RIAA. You've seen from experience that nothing of a nature possible to incriminate a member is allowed to stand. It's removed and the member is usually pm'ed as to why that sort of post is not allowed.

The "ZP was hacked" is no stronger an argument. I could link a pic in my sig here and tell you every person who looked at one of my posts. Not to mention that if ZP was hacked, who the hell is going to jump up and down and say "hey it was me?" Nobody, because it's an embarrassment to try to kill off any other factor that is trying to further p2p. Some people associated with ES5 feel that ZP has tried to harm them, but as I know that you've probably read most of ZP's ES5 threads, you already know that it is our membership in general that got tired of the constant promotion. The mods as a general rule attempt to just keep people from openly flaming each other. So as a result, many ES5 announcements were simply closed rather than see people go 20 rounds again. Closed, not removed, so interested members could still see any improvements that ES5 had made.

"ZP is connected to DRM". Definitely your best argument, and the only one based in fact. I can think of few people in p2p that didn't read all about that around a year ago. However, since that time Chris Hedgecock has left the DRM firm he was a force at, and has become involved in another e-based business that monitors people's website for them. You've seen the link on the ZP homepage. You're argument for that has thus far been that company is hired by the DRM company that Chris left to keep tabs on the former company's site. That part of the argument is weak, as most people wouldn't care if they monitored the FBI's site to make sure it was still up and properly working.

Now, this "Jorge is connected to DRM" is potentially more disturbing to me. I've seen the same guy post it a couple of times now. As you pointed out. However he is the only person I've ever seen make reference to the idea. Jorge says he doesn't, and given the fact that he is the one that has been involved in p2p for years holds more weight for me. At the end of the day though, I couldn't really care if my mother was involved in DRM. I will get the files I want, and luckily I don't center on the porn industry, which seems to be the only group currently using the brand of DRM that Chris Hedgecock's former company dealt in. Believe it or not, I don't care if people try to copy-protect their stuff, the chase is half the game to me. They have as much right to attempt to protect it as I have to take it, don't they?

"ZP has no app of their own." Exactly. That is what allows the mods and members to feel that any app can be discussed. We have no affiliation to any program, and every app is treated equally. You really have been flogging a dead horse. ZP's "anti-fan-boy" rules have been in effect for quite awhile, long before ES5 hit the scene. Ironically, it was Shareaza that had many users removed from ZP for excessive advertisement. If you look though, you can see that Shareaza is still a widely respected app on our board. Why? They have been letting the program do the talking.

I don't know what time you have, but it's late here. We can butt heads tomorrow if you choose.

It really is nice to see you Morgwen. Your weekly slug-fests with Seph were probably more enjoyable for the rest of us than for either of you, but I gained a deep respect for both of you two's love of Gnutella. I haven't tried shareaza for about 2 months though, partly due to your improvements. Getting files at a million miles per hour frustrated me too much when the sources all turned to e-mule and dropped to @ 2kb/s.

That feature can be turned off no?