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Originally posted by anti-bearshare
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Most new users who just use the gnutella to download music, porn, and movies are the ones who really dont give a **** on how the network operates. Then whines and complains that they can't download anything b/c of the fact that people are not sharing or accepting incoming connections. It should be a default that BearShare has to accept incoming connections. If your connection (firewalled, etc) doesnt accept connections then why do you need a option to say if you want to accept incoming connections or not? You dont thats why.

Okay, let me be a little bit more specific about my provider. They allows incoming connections, but only if they're not to file-sharing applications. What are people supposed to do in that situation?

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Originally posted by anti-bearshare

Privacy issues such as tracking your web usage (what you buy [email, name, address, phone number, even other personal information], what you search for [cars, gay black men, hot lesbians, etc], what OS you're running, demographic information.) Then they can cross-reference that with other demographic information and call your house to try to sell you some gay blackman motion lotion. Then you wonder how they got you on their list. They also sell your PRIVATE information for profit at your expense of privacy.

I think Moak says it better. :]

Commercialization is when something is being advertised to you (as a company wants you to BUY something). In shorter terms someone trying to sell you something you dont need.

Commercialization is to do something for profit. If investors invested in BearShare, they would still have to find a way to generate revenue.

> Okay, let me be a little bit more specific about my provider.
> They allows incoming connections, but only if they're not to file-
> sharing applications. What are people supposed to do in that
> situation?

Hmm, he does not allow it? Should we really believe that, may I ask something... ?
I could imagine that you are using an university or company internet access... so they forbid file sharing generally, but allowing gigs&terrabytes of traffic downloading and no uploading? Maybe you could tell where I'm wrong.

But if your ISP forbids P2P generally then he will block e.g. known gnutella ports, so it makes no sense to disable "Accept incoming hosts" in Bearshare anymore... it's allready blocked.

My suggestion: IMHO the option "Accept incoming hosts" is for network topololgy/debugging purpose only and will be better suited in the setup dialog or could be eighther deleted in future releases. I agree with the fact that some newbies will disable it just because in fear of hackers... incoming hosts maybe sounds too scarry for them (*guessing*). Check what the Bearshare online help tells about it... doesn't it sound scarry for all non-geek/non-programmer. Should I suggest it as "Feature Requests" at http://bearshare.net/ ?

PS: For sure you all know the workaround when only port 6436 is blocked, but all other highports remain unfiltered. :)
PPS: Sorry for my english, I try my best, really :)

Sorry, "Unregistered" right now has been me = Moak.
When you press "Preview" your username will be reset to "Unregistered".

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Originally posted by Moak
Sorry, "Unregistered" right now has been me = Moak.
When you press "Preview" your username will be reset to "Unregistered".

It shouldn't do that if you log in first.

> They don’t want us to allow uploading because it puts them at
> legal risk.
> They are indifferent about us downloading.

Oh I understand - sorry that I have been a kind of suspicous. :)

Then disabling "Accept incoming host" is not what you want, under your university's term you should better disable "Share files" in the Upload-tab.
It's possible that the law in your country does not only forbid the distribution of possible DMCA critical contents, but also to be part of a network which theoretically could, even if you don't. I personally think to be part of such an network will not break laws. Otherwise all ISP would be guilty in sharing copyright protected stuff or even much worse kidporn. I think all this is no technical problem, it's a socitey problem... but I'm no lawyer.

However, moving the "accept incoming host" in the setup dialog would IMHO makes more sense. What do you think?

I've updated the main logo on my <a href="http://www.geocities.com/antibearshit">site</a>.

It should be on as default. If you cant accept incoming connections b/c your provider you should not be connected to the network in the first place. From what you said I assume you do not allow uploads to anyone so you're a freeloader. But I'll also assume you're on a T1 or T3 so you download from others like a mofo. In return segmenting and congesting the network.

BearShare is bad for gnet, Vinnie.

Bearshare is cool, plz make it better Vinnie.

I can live with freeloaders, hope they can live with their bad karma. :) Check my suggestion about "karma" at http://bearshare.net . Before I forget, I don't like the new Bearshit logo, try it more stylish or you never get linked by Free Peers! :)