Well I guess I forgot to mention that my P-Cillin version is Internet Security 14, not the 2007 one I saw on the link you gave me so the instructions were quite confusing since I had some different features. I tried it anyway and at the end of all that my program wouldn't accept the new rule. Ithen took a look at the router instructions and quickly gave up. I did manage to go in and set my Limewire to the manual port thing but it was already enabled for the unp thingy which is the recommended option so I hope I haven't screwed things up. I set the maual port number to the same one as the listening port was already set to since the instructions said to just pick a port. did I mention that my connection status in limewire always says turbo-charged? I can download files and others can upload. It just seems that there are fewer search results and slower spped for searches and downloads than there were before i upgraded past the 4.12 versions. well actuall 4.13 worked fine for a little while before going all buggy on me. What I'm really asking is do I really need to do all this if I actually have a connection? I am able to download files, just not as many or as fast as before on many of them. I still do get some higher speed ones but not often.