You are talking about personal firewalls, here. The term 'firewall' also applies for routers which can serve e.g. as a proxy between the internet and a LAN.

The problem with node behind a router is that it won't accept incoming packets without setting up port forwarding. NAT means "Network Address Translation" (same as IP Masquerading for *n*x users). On a LAN you would be sending packets meant for some host outside you LAN to your router. Your router will disassemble that packet and exchange your local IP address for the router IP address on the internet. However, if the router receives a packet from the internet, it does not know where to send it on the LAN, unless you set up the router to forward all incoming packets e.g. with a certain destination port to you. If you are using a router without NAT, you will not be able connect to gnutella.

Come on, don't act like you knew what NAT is.

PUSH REQUEST ALSO WORK WHEN THE CORRECT IP IS NOT FORCED! I DID READ YOUR POST AND YOU SIMPLY DON'T GET HOW PUSH WORKS!

It's not a safe bet. The vast majority of really fast connections (T1, T3+) are from schools, universities and from work locations. Blocking them is just stupid.

I don't think this discussion is leading anywhere. If you don't believe me that your "advice" doesn't improve anything it's okay with me - I mean you are LeeWare, you're helping people, you're the master of the universe - but still you don't have a clue about the way the gnutella network or the internet in general works. So please, don't try to explain them to others.

Trap_jaw....


Since it appears that you have superior knowlege of the various facets of technology and how they work together. I am looking forward to YOU posting a thread that adequately addresses the concerns raised on the forum.

I'm sure everyone here would welcome your input as it would be more helpful than your technical analysis of the methologies I've posted.

Please save us from our own stupidity.

It your show and I realize you can't help it. You'll just have to say something.

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I have really tried everything suggested that I can understand and still seem to be unable to share files. I show a number of files as being shared at the bottom of my limewire window but when I go to the library tab, although I show plenty of hits, my upload column is all 0s.

I am on a Mac OSX using a router on a cable connection.

I've done the force IP address as suggested as well.

Is there something that I am missing?

Excuse my ignorance but I don't want to be a freeloader.

Thanks
bb

The force IP thingy does not work unless you set up port-forwarding (if you don't know how to do that - you might as well leave the force IP stuff out). -

If LimeWire says that it is sharing files and if you are able to download files from other hosts it is also possible for others to access your files as long as they are not behind a router, too.

Please see the following thread for more information

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=17840

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All of this back and forth between Lee and Trap is a grand showcase of your knowledge of the peer to peer system but isn't it true that Limewire just sucks?

Even optimised using the methods outlined by Lee, Limewire consistently offers "requery sent" and "waiting in line" blah blah blah.........

I think that I have offered time-an-time again in different threads that many of the problems facing p2p networking systems are not necessarily the results of the clients used to access these networks but of the behavior of the individuals participating in these networking systems.

It's the user base :

#1 People get on the network and jump off.

(24x7 sharers make up about 1% of any p2p system. These sharers have a small percentage of the files sought after on these networks.)

#2 Not enough replication of content.

(see problem #1 - there are not enough reliable sources for content on these networks.)

That's not a limewire problem. So in essence I don't agree that "LimeWire Sucks" It was an excellent p2p application. I personally no-longer use it as I have found a product that more closely suits my needs.

Try not to forget that the success of p2p system by-in-large requires the participation of a large-group of anonymous users, this make coordination and cooperation difficult.

One of the things I've done on the forums and on the p2p system I now use--I've created a content replication group. The purpose of such a group is to band together that group of hard-core file sharers to replicate content first between themselves so that high-demand files are available from a base set of sources. Next more people are invited to join in this effort. Now a much higher rate of of success is achieved from the people who are looking for files hosted by this group. The promise of p2p is also realized even if only in a small way-- the same thing is possible here.

Mr. Lee,

How do you explain that Limewire achieves maybe 10-15% successful downloads when a PC running Kazaa sitting on the same desk, at the same time, searching the same Gnutella network, consisting of the same users might successfully find and download at rate of maybe 70%. If you have the setup available, try it before you respond to this post. I will be surprised if your position of "different users, etc" holds water after that experience.......

To be fair I am guesstimating these numbers. Actual stats may be different.

Pokpok

Excuse my ignorance, but where in the Limewire interface does one go to "push" the IP address. I am downloading successfully but not having anyone uploads, and I assume it is because of my router and my Windows XP Home firewall. When I used Shareaza there was a place in the tools menu under connection options to enter the numbers. For instance, I had to tell Shareaza what my router's IP address was and what port to use for inbound requests. I told my firewall to allow that same address and port through. I forwarded that port through my router to my own computer (one of three in our home netword) and had many uploads right away. Where do I tell my Limewire software these things? Is it because I'm using the free version?

Think network segmentation, think connection preferences etc. although theoretically, and sometimes practically, the gnutella network acts as a big cloud in which each of the various p2p clients connect. Some vendors (I won't mention any names) engineered features and functions which caused problems on the network. As a result, others built their systems (Supernodes / LeafNodes) so that they work together using features x/y all of this brings us to our current situation the network now exists as little separate islands of p2p applications aggregated by their respective Ultrapeers, Super-nodes, or whatever you wish to call them. Communications between these different client bases many times occurrs as a result of the client types connected to a Supernode. don't forget things like search horizons etc.

I think that you can answer your own question if you think about it long enough. Now if you have some specific information that contradicts my comments please do share them.


Hope this helps.

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