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Old February 17th, 2004
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Unhappy it's taking forever to get a song!

I'm so disappointed, I have had 4-5 songs trying to download for DAYS! It says the connection is excellent so I don't understand what the problem is...does anyone know what the prob. is? It looks like everyone has problems of some kind... thanks
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There can be a number of reasons.

1. Limewire is extremely slow and inefficient - try xNap and Poisoned if you are on OSX, they work much better for MP3s

2. You are dependent on the other person(s) in the peer to peer connection to keep sharing and to not change the name of the files you were downloading. People are unfortunately not good at being cooperative. It helps if you keep your connection up and sharing continuously and for as long as possible to give others a chance to comp-lete their downloads. Files tend to have dumb and sometimes wrong names so people change the name. As far as LimeWire is concerned the file has now disappeared and there is a new file to download.

3. Are you sharing as many files as possible? If you are not, then the peer's LimeWire freeloader settings may be set to filter you out.

4. Check your connection quality. Down the bottom left corner is a mini bar graph showing how well the connection is going. It fluctuates constantly.

5. I find LimeWire to be extremely stupid. It needs to be nudged all the time to renew downloads. Right mouse click on the search bar tab and keep re-searching your parameter.

To sum up: Poisoned particularly gives a much faster and reliable download. XNap takes a bit more setting up but also spans several different nets and hits many more target peers.

A simple suggestion for you is to post in the General Forums if you wish to introduce/push a client which does not currently have a specific forum here.

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1. Limewire is extremely slow and inefficient - try xNap and Poisoned if you are on OSX, they work much better for MP3s
No no and no (well maybe for you, but not in theory ), learn to open your firewall and router ports...

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2. You are dependent on the other person(s) in the peer to peer connection to keep sharing and to not change the name of the files you were downloading. People are unfortunately not good at being cooperative. It helps if you keep your connection up and sharing continuously and for as long as possible to give others a chance to comp-lete their downloads. Files tend to have dumb and sometimes wrong names so people change the name. As far as LimeWire is concerned the file has now disappeared and there is a new file to download.
Quite correct!

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3. Are you sharing as many files as possible? If you are not, then the peer's LimeWire freeloader settings may be set to filter you out.
The filter has no incidence on downloads as it doesn't work.

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4. Check your connection quality. Down the bottom left corner is a mini bar graph showing how well the connection is going. It fluctuates constantly.
It shouldn't fluctuate much or you connection is poor (or firewalled).

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5. I find LimeWire to be extremely stupid. It needs to be nudged all the time to renew downloads. Right mouse click on the search bar tab and keep re-searching your parameter.
You obvioulsy don't understand P2P and reasons behind some parameters....

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To sum up: Poisoned particularly gives a much faster and reliable download. XNap takes a bit more setting up but also spans several different nets and hits many more target peers.
Man, I've tried every P2P on mac and windows and this is false but you may be in parallelar universe as Einstein theories predicted...

This is the reason songs downloads might be slow... people don't understand tools and are in a univers of wrong network settings

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Fine line of nonsense!

I run LimeWire and Poisoned concurrently on the same machine and network. Same Firewall and Router. In the same "Parallel Universe" the one where it is not necessary to adjust arcane technical settings to start the car and get out of the driveway.

If (and I have not seen any reference to it anywhere) LimeWire has a handbrake (left on at purchase) in the locked glovebox I wouldn't go blaming the user. Although I understand how this may bring a sense of personal superiority to your otherwise undistinguished life.

You could enlighten those long suffering users in this Forum and explain how to turn their Nissans into Ferraris. Somehow I have the feeling that you are not that interested in sharing anything other than vague nonspecific suggestions that it works better for you.

A simple suggestion for you is to post in the General Forums if you wish to introduce/push a client which does not currently have a specific forum here.

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There is nothing religious about this. I have no particular interest in the means to which the end is derived.

I have always had trouble understanding the partisan tribal fealty that everyone must swear to their s'ware/h'ware choices. An instance of "my software right or wrong" ?-) Any deficiencies are fiecely denied until enough time has passed to safely acknowledge "past problems".

I struggled with many different versions of LW for a very long time on several different machines with different connections and different ISPs.

If there are concrete achievable adjustments capable of being implemented by myself or any of the others not getting good results from LW, I am very pleased to hear them.

I am simply passing on advice that was passed onto me and worked. In the end that is what counts.
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btw In the short time that we have spent on discussing this I have DLed 40 or so files (with the software that has no name) whilst LW has struggled with the few files I have tried to complete all this week.

I am pleased to say 2 have finally finished.

Judging by this forum I am not alone in this experience.
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You know, people dl software, then they come here only when it doesn't work. For exemple LW has more than 300 000 dls/per week for multiple platforms, yet only a small fraction come here to complain even if for 90% of the people it works. This is what should be improve here at gnutellaforums and particularly in the lw forums, the community spirit. Many P2P forums such as Poisoned have much better karma around the forums. Only complaining is quite depressing and folks should be more community driven. I don't know if it is because of this site's colors or anything but I'd love to see more positive peers ratio
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There is nothing religious about this.
Bless you.
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I have no particular interest in the means to which the end is derived.
That's a blessing for us !

Score at the end of the first quarter is 1 - 1
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I have always had trouble understanding the partisan tribal fealty that everyone must swear to their s'ware/h'ware choices. An instance of "my software right or wrong" ?-) Any deficiencies are fiecely denied until enough time has passed to safely acknowledge "past problems".
Oh, Oh !

Sort of agree with you on that one.
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I struggled with many different versions of LW for a very long time on several different machines with different connections and different ISPs.
We all have our crosses to bear !
(Ooops ! More religious stuff ?)
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If there are concrete achievable adjustments capable of being implemented by myself or any of the others not getting good results from LW, I am very pleased to hear them.
Wouldn't we ALL be pleased to hear such things !!!
There ARE correct and incorrect settings - Adjustments - Some are truly 'black or white', meaning right or wrong - Some are in 'grey areas', dependent on 'equipment'.
The problem with most of the p2p clients is that the necessary accompanying documentation is either inadequate, out of date or non-existent.
Developers develop ! Amazing that, hmmm ? They normally make totally lousy user's-manual writers. They are also normally occupied with 'improvements'.
Not bad, huh ? I twice managed to use a word derived from 'normal' while discussing developers !

Moderators here see ALL the posts hoping for help and/or advice. We move many posts to more suitable forums... We sometimes post 'links' to other posts... Sometimes, if we have enough knowledge or experience on the particular problem topic, we reply with concrete achievable adjustments.

But, that's not really a Moderator's job. Members helping members is the idea here. These forums are a community of people interested and participating in p2p using the Gnutella Network... That's a hint to you, btw.... It is a community where there are many very nice and helpful people helping and guiding others. (Some may be a little outrageous in venting their frustrations after answering the same question for the 1,000th time, but that usually doesn't last long.) What members here do NOT normally do is join and then, in 8 out of 9 of their first posts, go into one client-specific forum and not only slag off that client but urge others to quit the client and move on to the Elysian fields, free for the asking, in another client.
(Can you imagine how many times a moderator is tempted to make such 'suggestions' when dealing with posts about a client with which some are having troubles ? But, we do not. Nor do the vast majority of members here in Gnutella Forums.)

What you have been doing is a somewhat subtle form of SPAMMING.
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Hmmm.
Really ?

See last line above.
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In the end that is what counts.
Oh sure, you bet !
But, there are ways and then there are ways, huh ?

Some of your comments in your other posts here suggest that you are not quite as switched on to this here p2p thingie as you may believe. Have fun here... Share, learn, amuse, outrage... Whatever !

But, cool it with the SPAMMING.

Ya'all have a nice day now, hear ?!?!



p.s. May be a good idea for you to have a wee look at a dictionary... the sum of the words concrete achievable adjustments do not normally equal change your p2p client.
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I apologise for my blunt undiplomatic language s;-(

I'm not here to argue or get on your bad side.

As is obvious from my postings my experience is dramatically different from yours and I must admit puzzlement as to why we have 2 such different experiences.

Principally I guess is that I am on the Mac, but as I have said I have tried it over a long period of time in OS9, several versions of OSX, different machines, different ISPs, 2 different modems, and on VDSL broadband with 2 different ISPs. I have not used it on my PC as I leave it isolated from outside networks (& Virii), but I am willing to experiment.

Sorry to say my experience is common to all variables above. As I have said comparing the 2 software in question is like night and day.

A large part (drawing on my long experience with IT) is what one user believes to be acceptable usability and performance. We use the same words but they mean different things to us. I am a Mac user because I believe developers should be responsible for the usability of products that only they can know intimately. Others take pride in overcoming the obstacles thrown up in their path by miss (or non) information, poor design and faults in its implementation.

Not to dispute what you say but I am reminded of the old joke about a man observing a large Excavator: "That machine is putting a 100 men with shovels out of work". Whereupon an observer says "and a thousand with spoons".

The point is they all dig the same hole.

I know. I have used the LimeWire spoon and am upgrading to the Poisoned shovel. I look forward to "xCavator" when and wherever I might find it, and I won't be attached then to anything I previously used.

PS I have been over to the General forums and note that the recommendation is to post on specific applications back here in the specific forums. My comments were on LimeWire so here it is. I understand LW is your baby and so you may not appreciate unfavorable comparison.

Correct me where I am wrong and I'll take it square on the chin.
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Gee, I must have missed that !
Was it good ?
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Hey ! Another blessing !
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I have been over to the General forums and note that the recommendation is to post on specific applications back here in the specific forums. My comments were on LimeWire so here it is.
Ace placement !!!
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Yeah ?
Show me the guy that said that !!! Just show me, huh !!!!!!!!!!

errr... Now, this is just between you and me, right ?... But, I haven't used LW since version [Edit].
But, I should not discuss that here in Gnutella Forums... Tain't right, ya see... I use [Edit] and [Edit] and [Edit] and have excellent results. I've taken to sharing eBooks, 1.6GB of them, and moving so many smallish files is most illuminating as far as observing p2p client behaviour...
And human behaviour... Like noting how many people D/L my Engineering stuff AND Cookbooks... At the same time... Hmmm ???
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One lump or two ?

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