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wondering why December 3rd, 2005 05:12 AM

Hey Hobo, I think I just got a bit hot under the collar......:p
As you probably relise I like to dl avi files and yes I dl mp3s as well, I would probably dl alot more but as my ISP shapes me when I reach 10gbs it's impossible to dl anymore until the beginning of the month (last month they nabbed me on the 12th) and I got back my speed 3 days ago, anyway thought I'd let you know, I couldn't care less what that bug thinks...lol :D

Lord of the Rings December 3rd, 2005 06:23 AM

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Caps are a pita. And that's why I haven't upgraded to dsl2. In this country you can't get unlimited dsl2 unless you buy a business package ... but even then that's not unlimited either. My shares vary depending upon whether my external drive is connected. My entire iTunes Library is now on there. It's not a reliable drive (had lots of problems with it) so I don't have it connected 24/7. But even then I only share a portion of it. Earlier in the year I was sharing around 5,000 & it got up to 7,000 (which included extra downlds & personal rips.) But unfortunately mac's Java version is very inefficient & sharing that many files gave VM issues (LW crashing after a few days.) I now keep my shares not much above 2,000. Without the external connected, I share about 100 (mostly video clips.) I also share other file types. And for music also some lossless.

At this moment I have 10 people all queued for the same file. 6 are Cabos 4.8.1 & 4.9.30 (including uplding), one is Acquisition 4.8.0, & the rest are LW 4.9.23 (1) & 37. All have reasonably different ip's. An ip tracer was successful with almost but not all. Here's where they're from: Huang Shan, Anhui, China; Tokyo, Japan; Kailua, Hawaii; Melbourne, Australia; Bangalore, India; Seoul, Sth Korea.

Upon rechecking just before posting, a couple of new ones on the list. Both from Melbourne LW 4.9.19, & Cabos 4.9.28

So I don't think a theory suggested earlier seems to fit with these ones. I don't have my external connected at this moment, but, even when it is I often get the same type of results. It's been that way for most of the year since before I moved my music off the comp (which I only did a mth ago.)

Bubba_Gump December 3rd, 2005 07:38 AM

Dangerous territory
 
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Originally posted by crawler_nt
I find it some what strange that you can be a senior member of the forum, but have not yet manage to aquire 250 files!
While getting into a discussion on the types of files you're sharing can move into dangerous territory, I wanted to add my "me too" in that I likewise set my "Freeloader Threshhold" to a 250 share minimum. I had it set to just 100 for the longest time, but the number of leeches it attracted became unbearable. So about a year ago, I bumped it to 250... which doesn't seem unreasonable to me. There appears to be no shortage of downloaders at the 250 level, and if it were not for this "bug" we're discussing here, the queue is likely much shorter at 250 than 100 (consider it a reward for sharing). I personally am sharing over 7,800 files. I have *individual categories*... like "Images"... of more than 250 files. If someone can't amass a meager 250 files to share off their entire computer, they just aren't taking the time to go through and add folders to their library... lazy *******s. :)

Lord of the Rings December 3rd, 2005 08:29 AM

Well mine's set to 35 minimum files. At least this does have some effect. I've also experimented around with it in the past & found changing this figure did make a difference. I think setting it to 250 or so is limiting yourself. After all, if people are uplding from you then you have a better chance of getting better search results. I've found some people sharing 60-80 files had some rare files I was after. And if such people can't upld from you then you obviously can't browse such people. If they're uplding from you then they're probably after similar files you're after. People who share less may or may not be easier to connect to (more free slots) ... perhaps. lol :D But it seems I have better chances of re-browsing & reconnecting with them in my experience. Some people have set amounts of shared files. Some increase theirs bit by bit as they collect them. People need to start somewhere. However, I shared from day one with my own stuff about 4 yrs ago.

BTW I do remember Stief commenting that one of the reasons I get people uplding from me so soon after opening LW (even before all my shares are loaded), is that apparently it has something to do with accumulative requests. I can't remember whether he told me that in a post or pm. He'd be a good candidate to comment on this thread (if he has time.) I'd need to re-read his suggestion to be a little more informative. But that in itself is perhaps the key! If requests do hum around for some time then that may explain why we can get all these requests for often rarish files at at the one time. It sounds more like a gnutella issue rather than a LW issue. ;)

crawler_nt December 3rd, 2005 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by wondering why
So before you sprout your mouth relise that I have approx 187 files and I only download what I want, not what you or anyone says I should have...
Well i am definatly going to keep my 'Freeloader Threshhold' above 187 :D

Lord of the Rings December 3rd, 2005 09:25 AM

lol :D if that's what you really want.

I just realised my queue in LW must have been continually changing because my description is different to the image provided. lol :D Oh well. I made the point anyway. I chopped out my upload in the image. I have one upload at present. Which is how I have it set if they're uplding video. At the moment there's 6 LW users in queue, 1 Aquis, & the rest are cabos. I am awaiting the day that dsl2 is marketed here in a similar way to the USA. They get great options over there. dsl2 is very new here (only been here for some mths.)

Bubba_Gump December 3rd, 2005 09:33 AM

Share limit no effect on my results.
 
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Originally posted by Lord of the Rings
I think setting it to 250 or so is limiting yourself. After all, if people are uplding from you then you have a better chance of getting better search results.
(Not to nitpick, but there is no "upload from", either you download from or upload to.) :)

In order for my search results to be affected (so that I don't get as many results, thereby missing out on some good files), a user would have to set their "Freeloader" share level to a minimum of 7,900 files before it impacted me.

Actually, since there is no "zero" setting on the Freeloaders slider, NOBODY'S files would be omitted from anyone's Search Results. You'd just be further back in the queue as people who share more get priority over you.

Lord of the Rings December 3rd, 2005 10:25 AM

If you are uploading "to" someone, if you do a search for a certain file then since you are connected to that "to" person, you can also gain extra results from that person & persons they're connected to in one way or another (such as their ultrapeers who are connected to many others & people they're uplding/downlding from ...) AFAI understand it. It adds extra dimensions to your searches is what I am meaning. I have a limited understanding of how the gnutella communication & searches work. But there's definitely improved results when uploading & especially if it's similar content to the uploaders.

et voilà December 3rd, 2005 11:34 AM

Ok I'm gonna clear things a bit ;)

First, I encourage anybody to only allow one upload slot per IP (Options -> Tranfers -> Places (might be a little different with LW/FW in english, lol) )
Normally LW should only upload a single file once to an IP, not twice or three times. The upload code in LW is a mess and should be worked on in the next year. Allowing one upload per person will fix that bug and allows spreading files to more people.

Next, the upload variety. We have been discussing that a lot both with LW programmers and others. It points out that putting a limit on upload slots for one file (ie you can't upload a file to more than three people in order to share other rare files) would slow network and would be difficult to implement correctly. If a file is taking all your upload slots, it is a popular file and other people are probably already sharing that file, so you should unshare that file if you want to benefit to the network by sharing other files. That's what I do ;)

Why some days some files are more in demand? Well, because some days there is a download mesh occuring around one file you share. That means that even though your aren't appearing as a result for one search, other hosts know you have the file. The download mesh in Gnutella is exactly that, as soon as somebody get a request for a file it uploads, it will send alternative host addresses that share that particular file. That means you are into a download mesh and for popular files, instantly your upload queue will be filled for one file. That system helps finishing downloads and getting more download speed, but it also lowers the amount of file available on Gnutella. That explains why Gnutella is a fast distribution content system while another like eDonkey is slow but instead allows a much more broad content library to be shared and downloaded.

Ciao

Bubba_Gump December 3rd, 2005 12:13 PM

Not an answer.
 
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Originally posted by et voil�
Ok I'm gonna clear things a bit ;)

<...> Allowing one upload per person will fix that bug and allows spreading files to more people.

Hi, I'm afraid that doesn't clear things up because, as was already noted: I DO have LW set for only one upload slot per IP, and it does indeed work... as I don't have more than one of the same IP downloading from me at any one time.

BUT THIS IS NOT THE PROBLEM!

This thread was started because, if connected long enough, most/all of your upload slots will eventually be taken up with the exact same file, every one of them uploading to a different host/IP and typically not even by the same software/version.

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<...> If a file is taking all your upload slots, it is a popular file and other people are probably already sharing that file, so you should unshare that file if you want to benefit to the network by sharing other files. That's what I do ;)
It seems HIGHLY unlikely that 20 different people are suddenly all clamoring to download "funny-Budweiser nuclear hamster.mpg" or "funny cats.avi". This problem is "file independent", so unsharing a particular file would only "solve" the problem for one day. The next time you connect, it will be something else.


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