Tiscali blocking Limewire
 

Hi All

This is my first post to this forum as up until now Limewire has been working perfectly and is really easy to use and set up.

Unfortunately after a spell of not using it for a while it is now totally and utterly usless.....

Irrespective of the no. of hosts to download from where I would get anything up to 110kb download speed it is now down to 1-5KB and continually stops for very long pauses before re continuing at an even slower pace.

After reading lots of info/help on this forum (nothing I tried made any difference) I came acrross the isp's that limit p2p downloads and to my shock saw Tiscali mentioned.As I use them (UK) and could find no other reason I posted on the Tiscali UK Forum site and apparently they have been blocking/limiting ALL p2p downloads from 8am to 1pm,irrespective of your bandwidth use (I have the problem with Limewire 24hrs) Tiscali is said to be making an official announcment on the matter in the next week.

If there is anyone using Limewire OK with UKonline ? If yes I would be gratefull if you would say if they are ok or not as Tiscali can go to HELL.

I did try downloads speeds from 'Magnet mix' as suggeseted here many times and the most I could get was 15kb,,mainly though it was about 5kb and continually stopping.

My broadband speed is 1mb on an ADSL modem

Kind regards
Andy:mad:

Andy I am in EXACTLY the same situation as you and I am at breaking point! If you do get any help or news please let me know as I want this sorted as soon as possible, cheers.

Guys

The same problem you are having with Tiscali I am having with Virgin, the only UK ISPs that I know of that do not block P2P traffic are NTL and Bulldog.



UK Bob

Hi

A couple of links on Tiscali forum just to confirm what we know, it appears p2p only works (if ever) in the VERY early hours of the morning.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=104845

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/forums/show...86#post1137386

Also I realise this is now over 12 months old but makes interesting reading.Apparently Tiscali were actually taken to court in Belgium to Force them into blocking p2p software ! Sorry if this is something everbody already knows ;-)

http://www.cisac.org/web%5Ccontent.n...Web-2005-SABAM

Regards
Andy

I reckon the complete DEATH of all p2p software is very shortly on the 'cards' in the next 2 years...

The 'www' is soon to become a completely unusable comercially enviroment that we can only view what THEY want us to see...somewhat different to what it was invented for.

Oh this world is going to be a lovely place to live in within then next 50 years !!

Andy ;-)

Hi All

If you can bothered have a read of all this....

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/forums/show...2&page=1&pp=15

Tiscali staff have specifically asked people to ask questions re. p2p, when asked unsurprisingly they ignore them all !

They still refuse point blank to confirm on EXACT times that they ARE blocking p2p, except to say that it will be slow during peak times or during any other busy times !! In other words when ever they feel like it :mad:

What the hell is the point of these ISP's doing mega broadband speeds and so called unlimited service if you can't download anything ?Does anyone really need 8mb to download an email?

If you are with Tiscali UK ring up and threaten to leave, my 1MB service has now been reduced to £9.99 a month,still not a lot of use if you can only use the Internet a 2am !!!!

Boy are we all getting taken 'for a ride' or what ;)

Regards
Andy

p.s.Apparently Tiscali are soon publishing new terms and conditions of use,this will be a good laugh !

HI

I have these message, i have been with Tiscali for over the past year with 2mb BB, no problems with LW, however since i have informed them i would like a free upgrade to 8mb, i have had nothing but issues with LW, no connection at all.

Oh sorry it did connect one eve quite late at full speed, then is disconnected the following day, I have never since ( 2 weeks ) been able to reconnect.

I may just give up with LW, It was good whilst the going was good !!!!

Andrew ( Essex UK )

Hi all after all the probs you lot have ive been there to I have now gone to
plusnet I have very cheap and exellent support the site is please refer me and pass it on as we all get cheaper broadband the more subscribers we get but that is not why i am telling you about this
http://www.plus.net/?helpheader=homelogo
good luck all tony

I was with Tiscali Broadband for six months or so up until October last year, they warned me about "Heavy usage", even though I was only using Limewire once a week or so and for only one or two songs, anyway, they informed me after three email "Warnings" that I would go on the heavy usage list which means basically I would be sharing bandwidth with all P2P users between 5.00pm and 11.00 pm everyday!! Now I also use Camfrog chat, which is a video chatsite, this became unusable between 5-11pm because of being on a limited bandwidth I was "Lagging" way behind everyone else in the chatrooms, even dial-up users of Camfrog were going faster than me!! Anyway Tiscali offered me my Mac code so I went and am now with BT. They emailed me last week telling me that if I continue being a heavy user with them I may have to go on a higher tariff !! My point is I am hardly using Limewire! I no longer go on Camfrog, so, basically the P2P community are being targeted by all isp's how much longer can file sharing survive??

Tiscali
 

Yeah Ive been having problems with tiscali recently and have emailed tiscali technical support about blocking/ limiting p2pdownloads - they emailed me back today categorically denying tiscali blocks/limits p2p downloads !! Funny how my limewire only works early mornings then !!!! Something very fishy seems to be going on !!!!!!!!!:eek:

Tiscali will never openly admit that they are "snapping" P2P uploads and putting all "heavy users" on a far lower bandwidth, they will just call it "capping" which, by all accounts their adverts do not stress!! British Telecom are now jumping on the "Lets snipe P2P users" bandwagon, they do not slow you down they just charge more and more money!

Dump Tiscali in the Bin where it belongs.
 

Hi People.
Like UKbobboy has said NTL and Bulldog at the moment are the best you can get, If you want to file share in UK Dump Tiscali in the bin Where it belongs.
Im moooooving moooooving on 1st Feb to NTL No crap about how far do you
live from exchange! just nice thick cables that will give me a 4meg ethanet
connection,:xirokrotima: :xirokrotima: :xirokrotima: :xirokrotima: :xirokrotima:
That realy is, No D/L limet Many of my friends have confirmed this.
I will post after testing NTL fully.

OOOOH! Im Just so eccsited:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Peace.

I hope you people had also seen both the Tiscali & UK ISP's listings here ISP's known to BLOCK or Filter p2p or specifically Limewire. Tiscali's attitude toward p2p is Europe wide. However they do apply different techniques in different countries as to how they block or shape p2p. BTW Tiscali does have subsidaries & joined forces with other isp's both in UK & elsewhere including the USA. They will all have the same issue.

Don't want to shoot you down in flames mickjapa but I had NTL before Tiscali, and my neighbor, who is a good friend, also has it. NTL sent me three emails (through their own Blue Yonder email set-up, the worst there is!!) warning me of heavy usage, now I understood that these "warnings" were supposed to be spaced apart? But no, all three within one week!! Plus the fact that NTL crashes AT LEAST three times a week! Its a very poor service and their technical department have not got a clue on ANY subject you throw at them, I switched from NTL to Tiscali because of this, then obviously Tiscali went bad, my neighbour, who is still with NTL (mainly for the cable t.v.) hardly uses his internet now. Oh and Bulldog!! Please don't get me started!! The only reason that Bulldog has not as yet pulled the plug on P2P is because they have so few customers as it is!! Their so called 8meg speeds were proved to be a scam on watchdog, their average speed within an average exchange distance was Half a Meg!!!

Funnily enough (responding to a private mail on here) the ONLY ISP I can say is not unduly "snapping" P2P connections is good old BT !! But the crafty f**kers just tell you that you should be on a higher tariff for your usage!!

Is my prob wit Ticscali???
 

I've been having problems connecting and have posted for a solution....Is Tiscali the main prob here...??!!
That's who I'm with but have never had any probs until today. I didn't know whether it was the program or computer etc...Have they restricted my usage....?

Well Tiscali will only attempt to "Block" you if they sniff out your connection to any P2P (Gnutella especially). As your Limewire is not even connecting you must have another issue, what does the connection bar show (bottom left) when you open Limewire??

:skull: AndrewMparmer.
The free update that tiscali offerd mid 2005 was for there benefit,Not users.
People that signed up before That had a differant contract that had real
unlimited, so they had to get rid of those old contracts, Hence new upgrade
(NEW contract) Oh! and sdBot to go with it, OK! so far I have no proof that
this has been given to all tiscali users, mabe just the heavy users.
You can check with SpyBot search n destroy ONLY in SAFE mode, To be sure
it came from them, turn off internet conection Boot into safe mode,sweep with Spybot first, delete whats found. Then uninstall conection drivers &
reinstall them, Now run the scan again in safe mode n see what you find.
Im not a tecki so how they make use of this I dont know. I do know that as
soon as my UPs drop to 1 to 3 kbs, I boot in safe mode, scan, and there it
is sdBot, so I delete and my UPs return, the strange thing to me is that I
rearly download, if I do, I always Scan it, my pasion is sharing, most files I
share were created with my Sound Blaster XFi Fatal from hundreds of LPs
n tapes I gatherd in my hippy days, Lets look at it logicly, P2P is not the real
Problem! the problem is that the ISPs are just to greedy to upGrade there
servers n get properly prepaired for the new software and inventions thats
coming e.g Gaming and such. Lotr has a quote by Bill Gates, 64mb HD should
be more than enough for anyone:cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Get with the program Tiscali snipping off P2P wont save you, Just STOP Selling Band with you dont have, UPgrade or go join the Dinosurs
Cos You Tiscali Aint not noway ready for whats coming:Smilywais:
Peace.

Do you know what mickjapa? I wondered where sdBot came from!! Surely though if it was "installed" with Tiscali then it will return as soon as you boot up into normal mode? This sdBot would, I suppose, be targeting all P2P processes? Or maybe just sniffing out Gnutella? Your right also about the original Tiscali agreement being totally unlimited broadband, obviously when their boffins came up with that advertising campaign they were totally oblivious to how many actual P2P users there were on the planet.
My advice to Tiscali?? If you can't "Hack" it get out of the kitchen.......

Hi John
Im only gessing but if its part of a stelft root kit, the dialer to replace it will
be well hidden. It dose boot or get called,Im not sure whitch but not auto on reboot its not uniform 1hour 5 hours, I have my UPs in view at bottom of page all times, UPs drop ,two min FIX. I will reinstall and format things well before My new ISP connection. N stop pisin on my fire, without hope what would we have, I was allmost tempted to make a snotty BT story as a reply
But there all part of the same problem Good fortune John latter, Im in need
of a fat one.:PEACE:
Peace.:Smilywais:

Lost!!
 

Ok, you guys have lost me and this is what I was scared of....I don't have a real grasp of what I can do ( as u can prob tell!!)
If Tiscali are the prob, does that mean I have to change?? So there's nothing I can do in the meantime for LW??
This seems stress as I'm not the only one who uses it @ home and not everyone will want to change all cos I can't download!!

Very interested re tiscali, had run ins myself with them, upgraded then got problems, rang ''Tech support'' asked if they were messing with the protocols, thus affecting P2P, yes is the answer, despite advertising ''Unlimited Downloads''
they put ALL ''Heavy Users'' into the same pipe or channel, vying for what bwidth is there, also penalised if you are in this ''Pipe'' cos u can only dload at normal speeds between 11.00pm at night until 4.00am approx sometimes less
this is an ''Automatic'' process triggered if u dload 1 gig per day, to get out again takes two weeks(Not using lwire) also a problem is gaming,they say it uses up too much bandwidth(too much information) if u are doing both ure ******
Problem is in my area not any alternatives apart from BT, as u say they know this and make u PAY and PAY. this is a major problem if you have a family, ie 2/3/4/ computers all doing their own thing !!
IS THERE ANY ANSWER TO THIS apart from paying A LOT OF MONEY !!
N2:mad:

Chow-chow,

I have the same problem as you, I have been without tiscali broadband for a few weeks while ive moved house, when the reconnected it I can now no longer connect to limewire, there is now a brick wall in front of the globe and it won't connect at all.

I know its not my router or computer as I have turned both firewalls off and run a few tests on the internet to access my computer and they say there is no firewall on.

IF i log into my neighbours broadband signal via wireless I can connect to limewire straight away!!

So there is definitely something fishy going on with Tiscali!

Regards,

Dan

sam problem, but not with limewire. am using bearflix and tried shareaza - bearflix worked fine last night, but today it doesnt. as it connects to gnutella im assuming its the sameproblem. talking to shareaza tech bods revealed it might be tiscali which has led me to this forum.

so has anyone had any news from tiscali... or have we all been oppressed?

I am with Tiscali and have had no problems at all (until today but I think that's something else).

Just don't download between 6pm-11pm and they don't care what you do outside of those hours.

tried downloading earlier in the day about 1-2pm, but no connection at all. i just cannot connect to gnutella at all...

Hi cmcb.

Try using FrostWire, I don't think that P2P app is on there list, also when you are setting it up, before it connects change the ports to a number between
50000 to 65000, Dont let it use default ports.
Like norbie said, avoid 6pm to 11pm for large file D/Ls & you may just stay off
their radar.
Peace.

Hello there.
I'm having the same problem with Tiscali in the UK. It will let me download sometimes then not at all, tells me I'm not connected when I am and that I'm behind a firewall which I've disabled. My mate's ISP is also Tiscali and he has no problems at all.......most annoying:mad: espcially when you pay good money for a anytime, no restriction ISP then it tells you what you can and can't do!!
Your irately,
Lesley.

Hi Andy
 

I say give up on Tiscali I have been with them for a while I had a small connection problem and they didn't fix it for 6 months! They are only refunding me 2 months. Their after sales service is non existant do as I do and switch.

Kind regards

Amanda33

Amanda Hi
You Tell Them Girl
Peace.

I emailed Tiscali last night to ask them why I am suddenly having these problems and if there was any truth in the fact they are blocking P2P files. Of course they have denied this and sounded quite "put out" that I could suggest such a thing of them. They said the problems are down to a technical faults that they are dealing with!!!:bangh:
LOL LOL LOL

My advise is to keep on at them otherwise they will not do anything! Keep emailing and phoning until they fix the problem after all it is their responsibility to put it right. Unfortunately their technical support is rubbish but keep on at them.

I don't understand, Tiscali is supposed to have unlimited bandwidth, and then they limit your use time? That's a load of crap!

It is a load of crap. It takes me a whole day to download one film does this happen to you?

Well, they've currently given us 3 months free service for all the crap we've had with them lately, (we've had connection issues since August 2006) so I wouldn't complain, I'd just leave. :/

When the connection works, it downloads fine and speedy.

Hi Andy

I am with tiscalii too and it takes a whole day to download one film if not more. I'm afraid to say that they are usless.

Best bet to get a new supplier that's what I'm going to do. Do you know who works best?

Amanda33

hi one and all, update on Tiscali,u used to be able to use frostwire without problems, but they have sussed that now ! Can't use LWire or FWire until midnight(if you are classed as a heavy user ! ) i.e. download up to 1gig per day,totally illegal what they are doing as they advertise ''Unlimited Downloads '' even heard a radio advert this week for Unlimited downloads.
LWire will stay connected, but gradually lose connects from 9.00am. another problem if u are a heavy user, download speeds throughout the day are MUCH lower for everything,and if you are downloading a couple of different things, Very slow. So you cant even get normal service EVER.
Tech services are useless and just Lie, so the only way forward is to COMPLAIN, yes to Tiscali, but also to CISAS: Communications & Internet Services Adjudication Scheme and to others,maybe, Pipex enters the valley of woe - ZDNet UK and if you want a rant that counts, maybe The Weekly Gripe: gripes rants consumer complaints issues things I hate and annoying stuff CISAS is the official OFTEL ombudsman for all Broadband complaints in the UK, so go on DO IT !!
Every little helps !!
N2:mad:
PS This is the first time I've worked out how to put links in a post !! not bad after 18 months!! (Groan) progress not perfection ehh !

ISP Article
 

Thought this was very informative and explains a lot !
ISPreview UK - Internet Service Provider Information Source
N2

Hi Andy,
I am also on tiscali and I have not had any problems at all. At this very second it is 12.13pm and I am downloading 240kb's and I have been all morning. Sorry If that upsets anyone but I thought you should know that not all tiscali connections are restricted (thank you lord).
Tony.

Good for you, wait till you hit the upload limit !!
Keep going while you can,
N2:idea:

Ynot Hi
What £s do you pay for your connection ?

How long have you had this connection ?

Try Downloading at 8pm see how you get on
OH!! Keep One eye on your tiscali E mail, you will get a warning then You will be moved on to another server, For heavy users.

Your living in a fools paradise my friend.
Peace.

Hi
another annoyed uk tiscali user here with the same probs - cant get connected to any music download sites, despite going through help pages and taking the advice there. I havent managed to download anything here since December 06. The time of day makes no difference. Bearshare's the only one that actually connects for me, but with very few search results or none at all, so not much cop there either really.

From another shortly lost tiscali customer.

Hi
Just an update on my last post
After reading an earlier post on here, I tried using LW at an unusually unearthly time of 7am, which I had never done before (who would at that time in the morning?) but tried this, just out of curiosity.
LW worked perfectly! I couldn’t believe it, after spending hours of finding out where this other firewall was showing as blocking me to the LW connection that I knew nothing about - that’s because there wasn’t a second firewall on my PC (I had already made an exception for LW in the windows firewall, the only firewall that I knew of on my PC).
The answer that took me 6months to find out, was tiscali limiting me at peak time. Tiscali had previously advised me to uninstall their program and then reinstall it, to try and cure my connection problems.
It made no difference in using LW and took 4 hours to try and regain an internet connection!! plus an hour on the helpline to them.
I have been on LW for 3 days in a row at this time and it still works!! Bliss!! However , the LW connection icon bars start to reduce at about 11 am and at this point the downloading process stops.
I would advise anyone with same prob on Tiscali to give this a try, it maybe your only solution until you switch your ISP.

> The answer that took me 6months to find out, was tiscali limiting me at peak time.

is it definitely them actually blocking do you think? or a case of too much traffic in general? it is probably actual blocking isn't it, because web pages etc continue to work ok.

i've been emailing them continuously for the last few months and i received a phone call message from them today about me not being able to use p2p during non peak hours. i was out and they said they'd try again later.

i've had an email from them categorically stating they do not block p2p traffic. there surely is a legal issue here?

i can't use lw at all at the moment -- no connection so can't search. maybe it'd work at 7am but it isn't at about 1 or 2 am.

> I have been on LW for 3 days in a row at this time and it still works!! Bliss!! However , the LW connection icon bars start to reduce at about 11 am and at this point the downloading process stops.

so you're getting 4 hours a day of p2p use and that's it? and that's bliss?!


does what port is used (in lw's preferences) make any difference has anyone found?

i don't get this -- i was unable to use lw during peak hours (and more hours either side -- *many* hours before during the weekend) right from day one of signing up to tiscali at which point of course i can't possibly have been a heavy user.

I am unfortunately with tiscali and at peak times my computer just freezes and nothing happens. As you say until during the day but not in the evening. I have read all the threads but is there actually an answer to this or just change supplier?

Amanda33

Figure out what your other ISP options are, first. See how they stack up to your current ISP. I'm not sure you can do much worse (from what I read), but I would check it out first (search these forums for other ISPs available to you) before I made a decision.

Good Luck :o

Dan

Tiscali e-mail 'hit' by spammers
 

To all Tiscali users

It seems that you cannot escape the pain of being a Tiscali user, now your email has been compromised by spammers.

Read the following to find out more:-

BBC NEWS | Technology | Tiscali e-mail 'hit' by spammers


UK Bob

Very Interesting UK Bobby,Thanks,and yes I've had some problems, but hadn't worked out what was going with on with email until your post !! Other problems are now well recognised with Tiscali, a total CON !!
HOORAY contract is up soon !!!!!!
Guess what I'll be doing !!!!!!
N2:Smilywais:

well my first posting on here, but thanks - I can rest easy knowing it is NOT Limewire, not my address... but Tiscali. I am a very low use downloader but get nothing at all except for very late in the evening. As LW starts up, I get POOR CONNECTION very briefly then cut - lots of activity trying to connect.. my next email is to Tiscali, then to look for another provider.. the hours I spent trying to get LW started...