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spunkyone9r May 4th, 2005 08:05 AM

This might interest gnutella users
 
Gnutella over i2p seems to be now possible. First "working" alpha of i2phex has been released.

Speeds are reported to be decent. Though install and setup are a little involved. Still anonymous secure gnutella filesharing is here at last.

The i2p-gnutella Network is bound to grow. The i2p network itself seems to be growing once more, since the release of azureus 2.3.0.0, users seem to be joining the i2p network.

I2p now has several major filesharing solutions.

Bittorrent
Gnutella
Quartermaster(which is a distributed data store, similar to freenet)

It's communication features are impressive as well.

irc
jabber
gnutella client to client chat
forums

Even websites are hosted anonymously and securely over it.

All these features and types of networking work much better and faster than they do through tor.

Anyways back to gnutella related details. After trying i2phex you might ask what's so different, it doesn't seem slower, or have more features than standard gnutella clients. The big difference is the i2p network and it's features.

A example of gnutella-i2p speed, about 2mb transferred between two clients in roughly 2 minutes. Considering how the networking resources are distributed and the client's bandwidth limit settings that is really impressive at least for gnutella.

While most gnutella users are not expected to upgrade right away, anyone interested in testing and helping to develop it would want to check it out this early on.

Oh and lest I forget, gnutella-i2p is a port of gnutella to i2p, there is no bridge between the two and probably never will be, as gnutella-i2p is to be considered a (desperately needed) security upgrade. No more need for complicated marginally effective ipfiltering, blocklists, tricks, etc. Anyways in order to use i2phex you must be running a i2p node/router.

Why bother with unsafe, vulnerable gnutella networking, now that an upgrade exists. Now there is finally a choice.

Further details and links concerning i2p, i2phex and anonymous secure filesharing can be found at Planetpeer Forums.

ursula May 4th, 2005 09:07 AM

Re: This might interest gnutella users
 
Quote:

Originally posted by spunkyone9r
anonymous secure gnutella filesharing is here at last.


anonymous secure filesharing can be found at...

Do, do, do explain - Precisely - exactly - EXACTLY - how internet connections are maintained with anonymity.

spunkyone9r May 4th, 2005 12:58 PM

Re: Re: This might interest gnutella users
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ursula
Do, do, do explain - Precisely - exactly - EXACTLY - how internet connections are maintained with anonymity.
The anonymity and security is handled by the i2p network, there are details concerning how on thier website. The website explains such things far better than I could, really there is no need for people posting to forums to submit such details. Additionally for live discussion concerning i2p, there are irc channels. Also you could check out thier forums as well.

If you are already familiar with the tor project, then simply put this is a simular encrypted anonymising overlay network, only it works much better and has decent client applications, better internal websites, etc.

Lord of the Rings May 4th, 2005 02:29 PM

You should give us a direct link to the thread in question rather than to the main index. ukbobboy01 has posted about how no matter what precautions you take you will leave your footprint no matter what. Every site you visit via your browser, etc. So .. need a bit more of a specific reference to show us to make your point.

ukbobboy01 May 5th, 2005 04:52 AM

spunkyone9r

You seem to be selling smoke and mirrors, i.e. something that has no substance.

As Ursula and LOTR have both said, where is the beef? (Apologise if you guys are vegetarians.)

Spunkyone9r, unless you can come up with or can point to something that explains how i2p can render its users anonymous then you just come across as another one of a long line of vendors pushing vapourware.



UK Bob

spunkyone9r May 5th, 2005 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ukbobboy01
spunkyone9r

You seem to be selling smoke and mirrors, i.e. something that has no substance.

As Ursula and LOTR have both said, where is the beef? (Apologise if you guys are vegetarians.)

Spunkyone9r, unless you can come up with or can point to something that explains how i2p can render its users anonymous then you just come across as another one of a long line of vendors pushing vapourware.



UK Bob

First I'm not selling anything. Second I'm not a vendor. Finally I didn't write i2p nor had anything to do with it's development.

As to the question where's the beef. The beef is on thier website, all details concerning i2p and how it works is there.

I2p is open source, freely availible, doesn't cost a dime. There is nothing about it that is even close to being considered vapourware like. Just because you can't be bothered to spend a few seconds and visit it's website, doesn't make something vapourware.

Also I pointed out that I'm not the best person to explain all the detail concerning i2p and for that matter there is no good reason I should have to, certainly when they are all posted on the project's website.

Of course I shouldn't expect anything much from you guys, after all it's likely anyone that can understand the project is already running the application... which explains why there are only a couple hundred people running it. Most filesharers these days are just not that bright. :(

Lord of the Rings May 5th, 2005 11:24 AM

Despite repeated requests you've failed to point us anywhere except a forum. So are we & others expected to believe heresay.

I_Have_No_Account May 5th, 2005 02:28 PM

I agree that the OP is a little too euphoric and
I2P is a project in progress i.e., unfinished. However, that's no excuse for being so harsh
and ignoring the explanations:

http://www.i2p.net/home
http://www.i2p.net/how_tunnelrouting

However, I don't think that the common user of a filesharing network needs anonymity and I2P
will be much slower on average than the
usual way. Unfortunately, P2P has become a synonym for illegal filesharing.

Hell, if people gave a **** about security they
would use real operating systems, encrypt
their mails and wouldn't execute random files. Hey, you can have all of that for free and legally!
Who cares? I'll tell you: Nobody.

spunkyone9r May 5th, 2005 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by I_Have_No_Account

However, I don't think that the common user of a filesharing network needs anonymity and I2P
will be much slower on average than the
usual way. Unfortunately, P2P has become a synonym for illegal filesharing.

[/i]
The common filesharers do need anonymity, it's at least desireable to anyone sharing pr0n, cracks or anything copyrighted. As to I2P's speed sure on adverage it is marginally slower, due to the encryption and routing, however it's still faster than tor and other simular projects. Really it slightly comprimises speed for safety and as a result there should be more content and sources (something most filesharing networks are greatly lacking).

Quote:

Originally posted by I_Have_No_Account

Hell, if people gave a **** about security they
would use real operating systems, encrypt
their mails and wouldn't execute random files. Hey, you can have all of that for free and legally!
Who cares? I'll tell you: Nobody.
[/i]
True enough, most people don't give a **** about security and they pay heavy prices for such disregards. Problems (spam, virri, etc) with email are costing companies money and wasting users time.

ukbobboy01 May 6th, 2005 05:56 AM

Dear LOTR

I have just seen your note and have found the URL link I originally posted:

http://www.deckertechnology.net/tech....php?p=473#473

This link, as you know, explains why your IP address cannot be hidden.


spunkyone9r

I am sorry that you feel that I have attacked you and that you needed to strike back but that was not my intension.

However, there have been many advocates of new and emerging technologies over the past twenty or so years in the computer industry and, as you know, many of those technologies have come to nothing. iP2 maybe a new technology that will revolutionise the way we work and play over the internet but at the moment there is nothing that jumps out to say, “this is the way to go”.

And, forgive my dimness but, iP2 seems to require a lot of extra resources for an emerging yet unproven technology.

Until there is something more that can be demonstrated then iP2 is destined to stay in the realms of the enthusiast



UK Bob


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