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[High Lander]

I would like to ask the permission of LordChaos as I borrow the question that he asked earlier in this forum and modify it a little bit. He said:"My question is this: What features would you like to see in a new gnutella client? What is missing in the clients you have used thus far?" and I add to it, What is it that u don't like in the clients that you have used so far and would like to see a modification of it in a new client?

I'm about to begin working in my my client which will be open source too, and what is left is hearing from the users of the multiple clients already available nowadays, and knowing what do they like and what they don't, so that I can overcome whatever I can in my client....I hope.

Don't hesitate to reply ppl. Thanks in advance.

Note: I have only used LimeWire 1.7

I would like to see a little "smarts" added to my Gnutella servant. I want to tell the software "Get How_to_bake_a_pie.txt" and walk away... if the download stops, or it is unable to get the file... try someone else on Gnutella.

I doubt it would could ever be perfect, but a resonable guess would be better than having to babby sit the downloads all the time.

Good luck writing your software

[Morgwen]

Do you know Morpheus, eDonkey or Xolox?

If your client is as good as these are, I will love it!

Morgwen

Yes and take a look on XoloX, Phex, Limewire, Gnotella: www.zeropaid.com. A a few come with spyware, better use AdAware after install.

[Morgwen]

Only Limewire has spytools... the other mentioned are free...

Morgwen

[gerardm]

LimeWire is open source as much as yours will be. Isn't it a crying shame that there are so many different clients ?

I do not understand why we want/need another client ?

As the LimeWire client is Open Source, why not start off with their client, strip the sypyware and call it a reasonable fork ??

Reasonable as it is allowed, reasonable as it provides a demonstrable added function: no spyware and therefore improved security?

When you do your coding, you send your patches back to LimeWire and therefore you stimulate the convergence to a single client.

Thanks,
have fun
Gerard

[John Blackbelt Jones]

The old open-source question. Why do people work on different projects trying to achieve the same goals each of his own.

There are many reasons for that I think. First of all, everyone has his own ideas of how the ideal gnutella servant. Some want it highly customizable and powerful, others want it simple and fast (or for instance without gui at all) . The second reason can be you don't like the way some developers work (or you don't like the developers themselves). Or maybe you don't like the programming language it was written in. There are a lot of people out there who believe Java is bloated, slow and ugly and they prefer C or VB.

Personally, I believe that much diversity is good for innovation. There are different approaches to solve the same problems, and some developers might think of solutions others wouldn't.

And last but not least. The users have a greater freedom to choose between the servants and can find the one that fits their needs best.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by gerardm
LimeWire is open source as much as yours will be. Isn't it a crying shame that there are so many different clients ?

I do not understand why we want/need another client ?

As the LimeWire client is Open Source, why not start off with their client, strip the sypyware and call it a reasonable fork ??

Reasonable as it is allowed, reasonable as it provides a demonstrable added function: no spyware and therefore improved security?

When you do your coding, you send your patches back to LimeWire and therefore you stimulate the convergence to a single client.

Thanks,
have fun
Gerard

Gnutella needs also new ideas... its not enough to improve old ideas... new clients = new ideas!
And I know some good programmers, but they don´t programm in java... LW is written in java...

Morgwen

[Moak]

Yep Morgwen! You have to like the programming language, the idea behind, the team and they have to like you.

I did want to help in a promising Gnutella project some months before. So I wrote to some client programers to ask some simple questions, but they even didn't answer or their project was allready dead. I didn't want to work on a project that is not supported anymore. Then I personnal don't want to code Java (Limewire or Phex, even both are cool clients) or Pascal (Xolox is Delphi and the code is not available after discontinue of Xolox, said Pasman). Finally I decided not to program another servant alone and just help some users and developers. After Xolox is dead I pesonally see no place where I can help.... now I try to support this 42er forum a little bit.

While Gnutella development was very slow in the last months, I appreciate any new programmer that starts a new client and comes with new technologies!!! Oh and it was told that the variety of clients does protect Gnutella against lawsuits and increases competition. Gnutella needs some pushs forward, yeah man!

Currently active clients in development seems to be only 4, in alphanumerical order: Bearshare, Gnotella (active?), Limewire (research!), Phex. I'm not sure about Gnucleus and Mutella, it seems they patch bugs and sleep? The future of famous Xolox is unknown or RIP. A promising newbie might be PEERanha. In contrast to Gnutella there are other (proprieatary) P2P system you might want to look at, they provide valueable ideas (!) and modern technologies to learn from: FastTrack (aka Morpheus/Kazaa/Grokster), eDonkey, Freenet, Guerillia and uServ.

[backmann]

Gnotella (active?)

Yeah, thank God it is still active. The last official version (1.0.5) was released during the end of September, but you can find a beta 1.2.0 at http://origin.gnotella.com/beta, which was released on October 27th. There was also a previous beta version in the middle, 1.1.0.

Here's a recent quote from Shaun, one of the developers:

Well, we are still alive and kicking, even if a little bit quiet. I don't like to give release dates as I don't release on a schedule, I release when I think its right, it may be possible that something will appear in the next week (new beta, not full release), but I won't promise.

I have still been pouring over the forums, even if not responding as there are enough wonderful users here who seem to always be there to allow me to continue coding.

In addition to the new beta which will come soon and hopefully be worthy of a full release, I have been cooking up something else that will make all the users happy, its still a ways off, but it'll be cool and make all our lives easier.

So, we are still alive, we are still releasing, just been a lull between releases.

Shaun

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"