guido i think your idea would be better off on a propierty network. To implement such an idea it has to be supported by every servent on gnutella which is impossible. Because people will use old servents and theres no guarentee that every developer would add it anyways.

Your idea would be biased towards what you share. What if a user was sharing 2 gigs of polka music and only uploaded 2 songs in a day. Even though they are sharing an enormus amount they wouldnt matter to their rating. On the contrary a user could share one small and popular file like an ebook thats about 800k big upload it a hundred times and get a high rating for sharing just one file.

This is no argument at all here. This is a developer forum where we discuss about gutella's future and ideas. New ideas must be developed and proofed, good ideas will be implemented in future clients.

That is not the mass, the mass are freeloaders. Some rare polka trader can still share famous files (swarming?) or offer a superpeer to help the network. Traders of rare files ar no problem for the network, non-stop downloader without sharing are.

That's perfect. If a trader shares less files but very famous, he is doing a good job to the network!

What ideas do you have to improve gnutella?

Btw. It's certainly been a while since I've seen a modem user connect to my host do download something. - I think most of the modem users would rather use fasttrack, as the traffic of two connection already takes up a considerable part of bandwidth. - I remember the days when I still was a modem user, and how rarely I used gnutella.

FREE LOADERS RULE!

Things that make Gnutella rock:
1) It's free
2) EVERYONE IS TREATED EQUALLY :D

I have been doing this for years. At serveral points, I started with noting. Someone on the network hooked me up, and let me leech off of their server, and in return, I served back to the community.

As with anything social, there are going to be contributers, and non-contributers. I have broadband, so I'll contribute, but if I had precious little bandwith (dial up) I would not contribute... it already takes 20 min a song, and sometimes it quits in the middle of the download!

IMHO freeloaders are okay. If you don't like freeloaders, use the tools that are available to you now, but don't continue to add overhead to the network to a technology that is already top-heavy with ping data (I have ready 50% of the Gnutella overhead is in ping and pongs).

Let 'em freeload, the files you want are probably still available to you (by some courier that doesn't care if you give THEM anything), and remember... all of you started with nothing at some point. What if you were told "sorry... I won't give you any files... you download more than you upload"

Remember the thing that all the Gnutella brags about - everyone on the network is equally important... T3 - 2400 baud

Freeloaders DO NOT rule!
 

Are you serious? :) Free loading is contra productive for all of us... which means less files, less bandwith, less fun. Together with more multidownload clients this could finally KILL GNUTELLA, oops.

Please read this thread.

Q: What is the reason that FastTrack and eDonkey are that fast?
A: They do not allow pure freeloading, you allways share a small part of your bandwith. I'm sorry that Xolox is dead, the _only_ healthy gnutella client, because it does not provide pure freeloading! Did Xolox hurt any modem user... no... anti-freeloading means not punishing anyone, but improve speed/availabitlity and that is one of many reasons why FastTrack/eDonkey is more famous, more modern.

The main goal of Gnutella developer must be IMHO: Stop freeloading in a very fair manner (for example integrate modem users with swarming and a miminum upload bandwith, following the Xolox/eDonkey example) and decrease backbone traffic (e.g with superpeers, which will be a dramatic speed increase for modem users!).

1. Technical speaking there is no way arround stopping freeloading.
2. Speaking not technial, anti-freeloading will result in: modem users will download faster (yeah!), high bandwith user will download faster (yippie!).
Saying this, judge on your own now: Freeloading is cool, freeloading is bad?

Well, I am sharing 5 GB of files, but I haven't had one single upload in a long time. It is not that I'm sharing odd files, they are all mp3s or music videos. Just how fair would it be if I'm stopped from downloading anything just because nobody uploads from me?

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Yep, a good argument against simple Mojos, but as told before there are other ideas against Freeloaders.

"Some rare polka trader can still share famous files (swarming?) or offer a superpeer to help the network. Traders of rare files ar no problem for the network, non-stop downloader without sharing are."

Free Loaders
 

Moak,
I understand your concern for the "good of the network". But the reality is that Gnutella was never, nor should it ever be set up for optimum effiency. Do you really think that all the people on Napster were sharing files? No. There were pleanty of people that free loaded, and Napster ran just fine. Gnutella will run fine. Give people the option... if you don't want to serve free loaders, make sure your servant is set to check for free loaders. But, if I want to serve free loaders, then I should be able to do so. That is the freedom of Gnutella.

I am not trying to pick a fight, I am only stating my opinion.

Hi Aigamisou,
I don't think that Gnutella runs fine. I think there are too many busy servants and I see that FastTrack and eDonkey runs much better.

So do you think it's too much for a modem user sharing a minimum 1-10% of his capacity? Instead just tolerate freeloading and state Gnutella as a 'very open and friendly network'? Yes, I like that idea and I love people with positive idealism. Personally I have nothing aganist people downloading from me 24/7 and it make me happy to see some souls happy. :)

CU later, Moak :)

thumbs down to keeping score
 

the underlying theme here is that there is NO theme for anti-freeloading. everyone's idea is different, which suggests that there is no right way to do it.

the idea of ratings or points fails because there is nothing to build it on. like it or not, the gnutella network was not built on rules. for better or for worse, this p2p network is pretty much unregulated.

on top of that, you're trying to do it cross-client. i'm not saying freeloaders are a good thing, but i think that in trying to create order from chaos, you'll end up hurting the people you are trying to help.

like it or not, the gnutella network is self-regulating. if you freeload, the network runs slower and you have only yourself to blame. if the network becomes swamped with freeloaders, it will suck and they'll have to either share or leave. i dont like the idea that the speed of the network is ultimately controlled by the freeloaders, but i'd much rather have that then share-nazi tactics.