Sepiroth!

What Moak says is simple...

Less freeloading = more files...

more files = higher availbility of the files

higher avaibility of the file = higher chance for a download

Its very simple! Its no myth - its logic!

Morgwen

Sepiroth,
what should I do? Not collecting information about existing statistics projects, not analyze the gnutella protocoll, not helping other people working on statistics project... instead belive in the Bearshare hype and Bearshare will be the big glory? You Bearshare maniacs are really becoming anoying and wasting my time. Eat some sweet Xmas cookies, Hohoho.

Go, Moak - GO! You tell 'em!

:-)

Excuse me are you the same moak you got a personal thank you from the xolox team? And now you want to call other people maniacs for other programs. Please point out where i mentioned bearshare in my last post? I didnt and i think your last post was very uncalled for. I never insulted you.

I only asked a few questions on how your statistics thing is being done. Because like i said i took a stats class and considering the reponse i got im guessing you havent.. So i probably could have helped you out on it. Because if it isnt statistically correct then it wont be any use to people like developers and etc.

Ill tell you what you need to be doing to best benifit gnutella. First would be not to say that just because someone doesnt agree with you is a waste of your time. Second would be to stick to the issue and not stoop to insults when you cant defend your position.

Morwgen the last part of my post addressed that very thing. I say that most people believe in exactly what you posted but i have yet to see it actually work in any p2p program out today even ones with a ton of anti-freeloading features so i think its a myth. Even if you or moak dont agree with it i still dont think that it was appropiate for moak to post insults like that towards me.

Insults???

Perhaps you didn´t post this in the last post... but in many others!

And you are talking about insults here? How do you call what happened with me on bearshare.net? I said only my opinion and Vinnie, you and other trolls started to flame on me... I see a difference between ironic statements and insults!

And be sure if Moak will start to flame on you, I will do something... I am not Vinnie! But I know that he will never do this!

Morgwen

Sephir please stop it.

When you come back with arguments + a friendly voice + and helping other users, then I will be very glad. But just repeating Vinnie's voice is not interesting, really! If you're interested in my statistics investigations, ask friendly. During holidays I don't expect more replies, but in a first step I tried to contact every existing Gnutella statistics projects, Limewire's host count, Gnucleus network mapping, visualisation projects, crawler etc.

Coming back to topic
 

Would it be a good idea to seperate between "encourage sharing" (we had many ideas here) and "forcing sharing" (even if in a very friendly manner)? Would someone like to summarize all mentioned ideas? I thought it could be a good idea to find back to a constructive discussion for everyone...

Happy holidays, Moak

Morwgen i dont want to hear about your problems on bearshare.net that has no relevence here. Thats how it happened to you but thats not how it appears to many others. You went on a little tyrate based on 100% of heresay which you cannot back up and prove at all.

Me stop it, moak your the one dishing out the insults dont try to blame me for what you started. And yet you continue on insulting me. Get this through yer little head. I am not vinnie. I guess its easier for you to just call me a troll and drone for vinnie than it is to respond to my arguement which you have still failed to do. Im not the one starting crap by calling people troll and drones here so im not the one who needs to stop it.

You say you want to have constructive discussions and yet you roll out the troll insults whever someone says something you dont agree with. Just because i dont post what you want to hear or you dont understand doesnt mean that its has no worth, and it sure doesnt give you the right to start insulting me.

Why has Moak no right to insult you? Most of the statements you post are crap... and he don´t flame... so where is your problem?

The only statement I ever hear from this don´t work - so tell us why it don´t work and make some "constructive" suggestions...

Moak is working hard on Gnutella... he is a very good developer - yes I know you had a semester statisitcs! :rolleyes:

And yes you are a troll! Mr. I know all better!

Morgwen

Moaks's list of Anti-freeloading features on Gnutella

Here is a list of collected ideas and features, anything missed?

A Anti-Freeloading features, allready established in common servants:
* Block downloads from web browsers (and web search interfaces)
* Remind user to stay online before quiting, when ppl still download

B Freeloader-friendly Anti-freeloading approaches:
* Chat between clients (community feature)
* Specialized horizons (community feature)
* Showing a Gnutella Karma or Generosity Indicator
* Encourage cooperative beaviour (splash screen, online help, teach sharing etc)

C Freeloader-friendly Anti-freeloading approaches + force sharing:
* Swarming with tiny minimum bandwith (especially for modem users)
* Minimum upload bandwith (as eDonkey/Xolox does, calculated from download)
* Minimum upload bandwith with more AI (detecting user/bandwith idle and then share with much higher bandwith)
* Prevent zero upload slots (together with minnimum upload bandwith)
* Automatically share download folder
* Develop/Implement new technical features for better bandwith use (superpeers, hashs etc)

D Freeloader-unfriendly Anti-freeloading approaches:
* Block anyone sharing less files from connecting/downloading
* Mojos or upload/download ratios
* Run Gnutella as a background service and share automatically when online.

E Unrecommended/Stupid Anti-freeloading approaches (Klingon style):
* Block all low bandwith users, share only with cable/DSL/highspeed users
* Flood and kick remaining freeloaders with distributed DoS
* Let freeloader connect, but don't send/route search results targeted to them (drive them crazy)
* A TTL1/TTL2 crawler which hunts freeloaders and automatically launches aggresive countermeasures
* Be selfish too and stop sharing files

"Make Gnutella a better place, for you and for me" (Michael Jackson, very free interpretation)