Which is the best Gnutella client for Windows?
 

Ok again its time for a new updated poll.

The old poll is here:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=12658

Vote for the clients you like most. You can vote for multiple clients.

Morgwen

Hmmm... I have no idea. ;)

Morgwen

errr, LimeWire IS more popular. - If you went to download.com, you would find that LimeWire (if you count the downloads for all plattforms not only windows) had more downloads last week than even Morpheus had (not counting the ~150,000 downloads a week LimeWire gets from macupdate.com).
And btw., the Shareaza forums are way more active than the LimeWire forums ever were.

Yes the Shareaza forums on their homepage not here. We have not many Shareaza users around here because they are visiting their own forum. Limewire´s main forum is based here.

The popularity of a client don´t say anything about the quality! Give Shareaza the money which Limewire has for marketing and we will see who will win the race... :p

Morgwen

Give Shareaza some decency, to stop calling its network gnutella2, and there'd be a chance, that I'd switch to it.

Till then I won't use, and won't recommend using it, because I think, that it says nothing good about the programmers to do marketing like that.

Its only a name. LW is marketing they are faster than Kazaa... I think this is no reason to ignore the programm.

A small discussion about this point:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=22609

Morgwen

@ Morgwen, but Shareaza markets them as the Ultimate P2P (www.shareaza.com):) All marketing are "relative truth" if you know what I mean.;) On the mother site of either raza.com or wire.com I see far more marketing on the raza side and it's been that way since raza 1.0 in 2002 summer...

Ciao

I don´t care about the marketing as long they don´t pay it with spyware!

They can claim that they are the best - others do the same!

Morgwen

Not for me. When they choose to ignore ethics, I choose not to use their program, and they lose on the long run.

UHHH!!!

This has NOTHING to do with ethic, perhaps its a bad marketing concept nothing more. I am more concered about the other really not ethical clients which are bundling spyware to pay their marketing!

The good thing in a free world is that we have a choice! But you can be sure they won´t loose, even companies like Bearshare and Limewire don´t loose and they are using all kinds of crapware - the user don´t care about it... and they will sure not care about a "name".

Morgwen

I just ckecked back to the Shareaza Website and saw, that their marketing seems to have grown better. they stopped calling gnutella "gnutella1" and I didn't see them calling it legacy or outdated on the two pages I browsed. In short: On the first two pages the name "gnutella2" bugs me, but they stopped smiting gnutella (which made me far more angry, than just the name).

If I had a PC, they might get me to use it actively. Maybe I'll advise others to use it. I'll have to test it on my Virtual PC first, though.

I don't ignore the in-fightings, because they might have a foundation, which can be rather important in a shared network.

If every client had its own network, the in-fightings would be really insignificant. But in a collaborative network like gnutella I choose my client by looking which one is best for the network.

Informations from friends allow me to choose more informed. Did you know there is a Gnutella-Client for the RISC-OS?

Its programmer just contacted me, after I posted gnufu.net in the_gdf.

CocoGnut: http://www.alpha-programming.co.uk/software/cocognut

15 pounds? No Ultrapeer support, no SHA1 hashes and sounds like it is a beta... :D

Perhaps in a few months when his program is finished he can ask money for it. ;)

Morgwen

I don't even know, what the RISC-OS is, but I assume it isn't a mainstream OS, so it might be perfectly fair to charge for the program, as noone else would do it.

Do you know RISC-OS? I only remember to have seen the name somewhere.

I never heard it before, I don´t think that many people are using it.

http://www.riscos.org/

Google knows ALL. ;)

Morgwen

I voted for Morpheus, its different from what it used to be, its come far from Morpheus 2.0, they brought out a stunning version of Morpheus 3.0 last year, and now with 4.0 this multi-network support, and NEONET technology i'd have to say its the best!

You forget the bundled crapware... Shareaza is also supporting multi-networks but without any crap.

Morgwen

Yeah, and Shareaza - unlike Morpheus - has not been banned by LimeWire.

Who told you that information? i'd like to know where you got this information from.

Oh yes, i've tried Shareaza, eDonkey never works, Gnutella is bad on Shareaza, never connects, Shareaza is a leech to the Gnutella network, because it does not connect to Gnutella by default, its good for G2 yes, not for Gnutella.

Go to www.limewire.org and checkout the sourcecode.

Shareaza is not a leech to Gnutella because if it doesn't connect to Gnutella it doesn't download from Gnutella. But it's not a good servent anyway because it is overloaded too quickly.

Yes, it does connect to Gnutella, not by default, but it still does.

Shareaza is no leech, while a client isn´t connected a client can´t download from the Gnutella network!!! And of course Shareaza connects to G2 by default and not to the others - G2 is the HOME net from Shareaza. The Shareaza developer created the protocol...

Note the small word "IF", trap jaw4 is right here.

Morgwen

Wrong.

The Gnutella download mesh in Shareaza can also find sources in the Gnutella-Network. That means a file found in MikesProtocol could well get to be downloaded via the Gutella network instead of MP.

Non arne, you are partly wrong :D Shareaza block alternate locations of Gnet clients when you connect only on G2, it wouldn't be fair otherwise. Shareaza is good for the Gnet to introduce edonkey files, but boy it is slow uploading !!!! (because of the overhead of the 4 networks it can connect to, as Trap_Jaw said).

à+

Actually it does not block Gnutella alternate locations, - it drops the connection when it notices it is downloading or uploading to a plain old Gnutella client.
There might be a simple way to download from all Shareaza locations (even those on G2) that you receive. But I'm not sure if the LimeWire devs are going to add it....

Oh, frag *pouts*
And to have it said in french, which I proved again yesterday not to be able to speak (at least not much better than "Je ne sais pas")

;)

So it doesn't do quite as bad as I thought.

Netscape's always worked for me =)

Netscape is a browser and no Gnutella client...

Morgwen

i went to www.limewire.org and i cant find the code that says Morpheus has been banned by Limewire u talk total crap! when i search with Morpheus how comes i see limewire results

I don't know where u got that from

You can't find it meaning "you don't have a clue where to look" or "you read 100k lines of code and you're sure it ain't there"? Do you want a link or something?

Simple, Gnutella queries don't contain any vendor information, if LimeWire receives a query from Morpheus it will never be able to tell it's really a Morpheus host that sent the query. If Morpheus however connects to a LimeWire node, the LimeWire node will (unless it's one of the older nodes) only return a "403 Freeloader" reply instead of sending the requested file.

I dont understand... i want a link.. and Limewire cant do this its not fair to the network

Here's the links.
http://core.limewire.org/source/brow...-cvsweb-markup
http://core.limewire.org/source/brow...-cvsweb-markup

Ceterum censeo, it's not fair to the network to use an outdated and harmful gnutella client that is using gnutella for the purpose of bootstrapping its own proprietary act (NeoNET).

Morpheus has been part of Gnutella for a LONG time so they are not being a part of Gnutella just to get files onto NEOnet and how do you expect files to come onto NEOnet anyway? Morpheus is VERY good to Gnutella software and movies are now on Gnutella BECAUSE of Morpheus, so Gnutella should thank Morpheus for this.

Zaggar you couldn't be more wrong! Morpheus is a leech client because with other clients it is almost impossible to find files shared by Morpheus..... Morpheus ought to be banned and has given nothing back to the Gnet since Morpheus 2. BTW movies are coming from new users to gnutella and shareaza users that connect to eDonkey, NOT from the POS also known as Morpheus. Morpheus has a good G2 core thats about it. The gnutella part of Morph is total **** and is worse today than LW was in the version 1.9 (end of 2001)!

Now go to a real client and leave that POS.

Merci

The reason why limewire answers freeloader ist very simple: The Morpheus-Client doesn't offer anything for upload, so Limewire doesn't allow it to download.

the same is true, when a limewire user doesn't share anything. He will also get a "freeloader"-reply.

No.

I don't want to get into the arguing here:D , but just wanted to say that I voted for Shareaza and Limewire. I have both, and have tried most of the clients, but these two were the best on my machine. Although I think I like Shareaza the best. Limewire has a lot of files on search, but downloads waaaay too slow for me. Shareaza has tons of files on search, and downloads the quickest for me.;)

BTW, I HATE spyware/adware. Thinking of ditching Limewire just for that. :p

If you download from me: Yes. I only rarely allow freeloaders (same with Acquisition).
For others: I'm not sure how people set up their client. Acquisition warns on second startup, if the User doesn't share, that sharing enhances their download experience.

Who did you think was going to win this?
I bet you thought Shareaza? LOL

Zultrax www.zultrax.com

Easily runs all day long without bothering your work on your PC.
Comes totally clean with no adware, spyware or other unwanted extras.

It supports two networks amongst which Gnutella on which it behaves as a fair client. Zultrax does not block off other clients, does not post selfisly a lot of queries and replies fairly to queries of other nodes.

Zultrax sucks. It doesn't support even half of the latest Gnutella specs. Please don't use it.

Since you apperantly took quite some time to check out Zultrax:
Would you be so kind to give a few examples of which specs Zultrax is missing according to you and why exactly that would make Zultrax suck.

You can find these examples on this (somewhat outdated) site.
http://rfc-gnutella.sourceforge.net/...ing/index.html

As for why being unable to use UDP, having no proper ultrapeers, no dynamic querying or having the most ugly GUI someone could possibly imagine sucks: - it simply does.

@Zultrax: This is in the technology-part of the Zultrax-page

Could you please explain that?

Besides:

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Zultrax supports two networks, Zepp and Gnutella. This feature is -of course - only available on Zepp. On that protocol Zultrax is the only available client. Zultrax hides which communication is going to which IP and on which IP files are found.

If one manages on some kind of way to connect to ZEPP and discramble the communication one might be possible to make that information visible. That is what we try to prevent.

Based on the characteristics of the communication one node calculates two complex numbers and sends one to the other. The other replies with the second number. If that does not match it is not using the proper algoritm and one is apperently trying to enter the network not using Zultrax.

In that case an intruder is detected. The intruder could be trying to figure out that algorithm without having to decompile zultrax and we make his attempt easy by sending an error message every time he is wrong.

So, we don't. We keep the connection alive and make sure that all information sent to him is garbage. That garbage can be created to answer queries with actuall found files but combined with the wrong IP's. Of course ' search results' being given by this intruder will be just dropped.

As a result the intruder will be given no information helping him in his attempt to hack stuff instead he will have hard time to detect if he is receiving garbage or not.

The used algorithm is dynamically and the garbage not just garbage but made as realistic as possible and in a low percentage of the cases it is not garbage, it is real.

Finally the goal of all this is to increase levels of privacy a little.

I have to agree on that one!

Shareaza is the best i have found so far.

None others have the power, features or ease of use that Shareaza has (i have version 2.0)