Hi, UKBobBoy! Thanks for your responses. I greatly appreciate you spending time to give a detailed answer.

Although, if I may say so, your responses only prompts me to ask even further questions. Firstly, in regards to the "grooming," according to what the young man told me, it does not completely sound like the 26-year-old was truly "grooming" the 14-year-old. From what the young guy told me, they were both seemingly okay with the cam sessions and, in fact, the boy had even initiated some of them; he had even masturbated for the 26-year-old on his own terms, un-requested by the 26-year-old. There doesn't seem to be any "lowering of the child's inibitions" involved, as they both were arguably on the same level of sexual interests. (One cannot hastfully assume that just because a young man is 14-years-old he doesn't "completely know" what certain sexual acts are and that he can't "completely consent" to them, even if the law does make it legally that way. In this case, according to the boy, he knew and he consented!)

I'm not saying that I agree with the older guy having cam sessions with someone he's legally not supposed to be. I just don't believe, attempting to being fair-minded, that the young boy is completely innocent either. Speaking on a personal level, of course. (I know the law will simply say that he's completely innocent because he's a minor.)


Secondly, I'm a little troubled as to how IP addresses and ISPs can increase the chances to be THAT good; it just seems a bit sketchy. First of all, internets could be logged off of anytime. No IP addresses could be detected with internet signal from that computer, right? Secondly, consider Laptops. Laptops, being able to move from place to place, would probably give the offender an advantage to blur his true location; the fact that the location of his IP address when the 26-year-old was dectectably on the internet with the 14-year-old is possibly not permanent could make it difficult for police to know the actual current whereabouts of the older guy, thereby giving the 26-year-old some hiding places. I mean, that's what seems logical to me.

Finally, if the computer he was using is not mobile and is using a DSL, what if the ISP is not registered under his name? (Beside from that, remember that they don't know his real name. All they're told is that his first name, unknown whether or not to even be real, is "Tony".)

On a sidenote, I intuit that someone who knows he's in trouble with the law would obviously not leave his IP address open to be caught. Even he/she knows that that would be stupid luck for him/her, for that individual might as well just drive to a police station and turn him/herself in. lol


p. s. "RGHRGH" is read by each individual letter. It's not meant to be pronounced like a reading word. (well, if you must do so, I guess you can call me "Ruh-juh Rug-juh haha)

I posted a reply before this post, but for some reason, it wouldn't show up. Also, every time I get to this page, it always refreshes and returns to the top of the page ever few seconds...

The nature of the subject matter triggered our anti-spam incentives. I have approved your previous post now.

As for your questions about how an IP can get you caught, it goes further than you think. Even if he is e.g. leeching someone elses WiFi connection or isn't the owner of the subscription, unless he's using some public hotspot, it is very likely, that when the owner is notified, he/she will know the offender.

Also facial recognition software is becoming more and more common, so if the police have his picture from video sessions and most likely even from several angles, it will be quite easy from them to use it to prosecute the offender.

Well RGHRGH (Roger Roger)

Sleepless has answered your question about your posting difficulty and gone some way to deal with your IP question, however I will go into a bit more detail but first answer your questions in the order they were written.

OK, first you asked:You have partially answered your own question when you said:Legally, both in the US and UK, someone under the age a 16 cannot consent to any kind of sexual activity regardless of whether that child is sexually promiscuous or not. It will be for a court, i.e. a judge, to decide what weight to give to the child's activity when mitigating the offender's sentence.

You also asked:Here we go, whenever you log onto the Internet your ISP allocates you an IP address, logs the time and duration you are on the Internet and keeps that record for, I believe, two years (it might be longer in the US).

When you surf the web, when you send an email or whatever you do on-line you leave your IP address behind and it is logged by the server you browsed, the PC you are using and the PC (or whatever computer) you are communicating with. You cannot change or delete your IP address once it has been logged by another computer, e.g. the IP addresses in the properties of the emails I receive cannot be deleted by the senders just like I cannot delete my IP address recorded by the server hosting this forum.

Next, there is sufficient information within your IP address to immediately identify your ISP and therefore, via your ISP, you.

Using a laptop or changing locations to access the internet makes no real difference as long as you are using the same ISP.

However, logging onto the Internet via wi-fi as a guest at an Internet café, educational institution or office complex may delay being caught but it is unlikely that a pervert can groom a child out in the open, grooming is usually done in private.

Please note, there are some extremely clever people out there that can circumvent their way around the IP system and how it works, e.g. groups such as "lulz" and "anonymous", but your common or garden pervert usually does not have that level of knowledge or expertise to find ways around the IP-ISP set up.

Finally, you asked:As far as I know, when you register with an ISP you have to have sufficient financial information to prove that they will receive payment on a regular basis. So unless the person is a professional criminal with false or stolen IDs it is unlikely that he can give a false name, false address and false working payment details all at the same time.



UK Bob

For what it's worth, the person might be sharing accommodation and the internet service is registered under a housemate, friend, parent or relative's name, etc. The internet service might even be provided by a rental service of the premises and be under the rental agent's name and not the user's name.

Well LOTR

You are probably right because I have no direct experience of those models of Internet provision you have mentioned. However, that will not prevent the relevant authorities from tracking down someone that is potentially grooming an under age child, it will just take a little longer.

The authorities, if they take this matter seriously enough, could find the culprit very quickly but if they drag their feet then the evidence could naturally expire.



UK Bob

The authorities should not be dragging there feet, they shood be dragging the child porn freak bye there feet while tied to a train,car,truck while driving on the expressway. Have a good 1.
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