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Child Porn for download here! Hey Let me settle something for you about child porn watching and dowload. Most of all the child porn for you to download is put there by law enforcement!!!!! If you download it they are able to track it. They watch to see if you are downloading more. Why you might ask because some people download porn and by mistake sometimes download child porn. They also know if you delete it and if you download more. They are watching and go after the people who need to be stopped! Trust me it is all taken care off!:idea: |
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Basically what you're saying is that law enforcement can access your PC sufficiently enough to read and explore every digit in the machine and that they have the resources to undertake such a endeavor. Frankly I think you're just trying to scare the perverts which is misguided. First it won't work. Watchng child porn does not equate stupidity. They know full well what the cops can and cannot do. Second nobody believes anything they read on the internet without verification anyway (see my first sentence). |
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Victorian Most English speaking countries still suffer with the Victorian era moralities which says sex is dirty. Any sex. A female would "submit" only because she wanted children. Not surprisingly a lot of prostitutes were in business back then. The point being that English speaking countries can get carried away with this stuff. In England cartoons directed at adults are pornographic? Normally I'd say "Give me a break" but I just read about some guys and gals at a night time adult Halloween party on a public street in the U.S. decided to run around in the nude with pumpkins on their heads. Not only did they get arrested the prosecutor wants them stigmatized as a "sex criminal" which means a public record will exist for the rest of their life. Once a year a bunch of local drunks leave their tavern and moon a passing passenger train. Its been a tradition for years involving both male and female and no "private parts" have been seen. Yet they faced arrest last year. Now I can understand a $100 fine and even probation with the record erased at the end of that but "sex pervert"? Give me a break. |
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And by the way: Can teen model galeries (for example presenting bathing suites) be considered as child porn or not? - true, you don't really see something, but still, there are the parts you *imgine*, if you understand what I want to say... EDIT: Seems that this has not been clear enough: The idea I had in mind when I wrote this sentence down was about some advertisement from a store that was included in the weekly advertisemt package we get by post. I think the current legal sittuation is not clear enough... There is a vaste shardy area between legality and illegality. Boarders should be more clearly defined... |
Hmmm.....If you have to ask yourself or you are wondering how Old the person is in that Bathing suit and your Fantasizing about them, :mad2: seems to me you need help. :freak: You want the Boarders Clearly Defined ?? Let me Clear that up for You... Stop Looking at Teens !!!!!!!!! Is that Clear ??? |
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(By the way, just thought about this: Do you expect sb who is minor (~16 or 17) to watch porn from 20-year-old professional porn stars?) PS.: :freak: <-- not me :laugh_2: PPS.: Since sb who is eightteen (18) is still a teen, you should correct your lovely red formulation. :whistling: :laugh_2: |
Methinks Romoc complaineth too much. (Sorry Shakespeare). And trumpets his virtue an awfull lot also. |
Methinks OC is a KP watching, downloading Freak that tries to convince himself that it's ok to download KP but Not to share KP. Me also thinks that I'm Tired of the KP King Mis-spelling my Nick in an attempt to be a wize guy. You asked for it, you got it Freak. :D This attempt to insult me is Not the First time you've done this, but it may be the Last. |
:laugh_2: especially since the forum seems to block at least one of them... |
Yea, If thats all ya got, Thats all ya got. It Blocked E Q U I T Y. WoW, Bad Stuff Huh ??? :cheesy: |
yeah this is not good |
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My apologies to Remoc. I don't know why mis-spelling your nick would be an insult but its not intentional. I mis-spell a lot of words and nicks are easy because some of them are just a jumble of letters - at least to me. :sorry: What little teenbopper porn I've downloaded was instantly shredded. With so many 18 year olds to watch why bother with a 16 year bopper and get ten years? I did discover a trick to preview a file, perhaps its old hat to you guys. I wait until about 1% of the file is downloaded and go to my Incomplete folder. Usually I can play the file from there and interrupt the download if needed. Seems alot easier than asking LW to create a preview. |
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its really not a big issue to 'undelete' files...and view it like this...you get a machine in the shop, turn it on to even start to see what's up, and after it passes that test you run a file recovery program and proceed to work on another computer...then when the recovery program is done you see what's been found....there's really not issue with time as it were as you are working on another machine and getting work done...the most that's lost is initiating the program and then viewing what's been found... |
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you know whats sad? child porn that sickos such as Daikinbakuju on deviantART draw is considered ok. i really dnt understand why, its disgusting. |
Hmmm... I think the problem is the term "child porn". Even photo shootings featuring under aged children are allowed, as long as they do not show (or directly imply) pornographic elements. (Depends on the country, however.) And the picture galleries you linked to seem to contain only anime style images of (potentially) underaged girls that are bound by different means, but do not show directly pornographic elements... Therefore and because of the fact that these are paintings, not real porn (even a movie that doesn't show real pictures is often not considered as "real" porn), they are not considered as child porn at all... in fact, they are not even considered as porn (or at least those I had a quick look at, as that style of content is not what I am interested in ;) ) and I have to admit that I have seen already much worse content that is still considered being legal before the law... mfg, Old |
Anime bondage may reflect poor taste, but it is not porn. Depicting child porn, even cartoon-style, is illegal in the US. The artist claims he never draws nudes or furries. Furry porn is not unlawful so long as all the animals are over 18 and have given their consent. Otherwise they should have the stuffing beat out of them. I prefer to keep within my species (though I once saw a hot looking Vulcan...) Makes me wonder what Klingons would consider kinky. |
illegal downloads hello, i am a amateur photographer, I sometimes photoshoot girls, in various ages. But i found on the internet these model sites, downloadable on the pirate bay, but i think these are a little too much aimed at sexy. My opion is that it is possible that child porn is accidently dowloaded, i heared about it. And some people want to see where everybody is talking about. When they have seen it, they are shocked. We all agree that this is very bad. But because of the fabrication of these CP and so on, sometimes i am beeing looked at if i am a pedophile, because i made a photoshoot of a girl at the age of 14. (permission granted by parents) She was in clothes, and i dont touch a model. So these **** ruins my work!!!!!!!!!!! All because of this ! |
Downloadfan Unfortunately, and through no fault of your own, you find yourself caught up in the hysteria and intense emotions that CP brings out in people, as well as finding yourself tarred with the same brush as criminals that push this disgusting stuff. However, in order to continue with and progress your photographic hobby, I would strongly suggest that you limit your models, whether fully clothed or not, to those who are above the age of 18. Simply because it’s the only way to safeguard yourself, your family and your property while still being allowed to peacefully pursue your hobby, especially if some time in the future you want to become a professional. UK Bob |
I understand. [QUOTE=downloadfan;358853]hello, i am a amateur photographer, ...QUOTE] I understand your frustration. I often walk my dog who looks just like the movie dog Benji but I don't stop at kiddy playgrounds because I'm afraid someone will point a finger or worse the police. It's not worth the embarassment. Some mothers will allow the kid to run over if I'm nearby and pet the dog so some have had a chance to meet Benji in person. |
Hey man, who cares the child porn in our countries ? :S they are allowed to be produced and even if they dont publish the videos in internet, the child pornography can be delivered to people by them, the exploiters. they can do that in any way, may be by selling dvd films, selling cookies, tickets, in markets, eveyrwhere. |
Kirbasumut I'm not sure what you are trying to say but what you call "exploiters" are most likely organised criminals. UK Bob |
I mean the exploiters exploit the children and they sell the cds to people in disguise of other sellers. |
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and the new member john mcfall earns the most pointlessly annoying post of the week award! |
Well Peerless It's obvious that this McFall character requires the vigorous application of your barbed wire covered 2' x 4' wooden rod (or plank) of correction. UK Bob |
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I question the computer repair shops reporting to the police. They are acting as their agents. Therefore Entrapment. A good lawyer will explore that avenue- Rawnee |
Greetings rawnee, Welcome to the Gnutella forums! I think you need you read up on what constitutes entrapment. In the US, film processing companies have long been required to turn over to police anything suspected of depicting child porn. Many people would say that it is one's civic duty to report crime, especially when children are involved. Reporting crime is not acting as an agent of the police. |
Rawnee Although I have never lived or worked in the US I think I can quite honestly say that "entrapment" is not the same as reporting a crime because the computer repair people in the UK do exactly the same thing. In fact, some rich and famous paedophiles have been caught this way, e.g. Garry Glitter. As Blackhorse said, it is considered all over the civilised world your civic duty to report crime, especially such a vile crime against children. Finally, here's a quote from wiseGeek: Quote:
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skipping that obvious route of disbelief, said lawyer can try all he wants and will fail using that type of defense... |
Sooner or later in the U.S. the supreme court will see that far to often the same people report this to the police. THEY ARE acting as their agents. They have a working relation with them. And will need warrants. In this country our laws are wacko and so are the courts. Just recently they decided Protesters can upset a soldiers funeral. Hurl insults at the family and the deceased. Free speech !!!! Also they can take your home by eminent domain to put up a shopping mall see what I mean ? |
The FBI sets up fake cp sites. They trap quite a few. It works quite well. There are several court decisions awaiting. Obama's court is nonsense. he appointed a judge with no judicial experience and a prejudicial judge. Let me make something clear I'm all for the FBI. I'm just afraid of cases being lost on a technicality. U.S. law is different from U.K. That's why I say that they are acting as agents for the police. |
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That said, in the UK, "Entrapment" in itself is not a defence but can be used by a court judge to stop a trial if he believes justice will not be served. OK, now your view of "Entrapment", under any judicial system is just plain wrong and so is your view of "Police Agents". I suppose you could say that your right to "privacy" has been violated, as a defence, but the right to privacy cannot trump the right to report and uncover crime, any crime. Rawnee, I guess you are angry at something but it seems to me that your shots are so wide that I cannot see what point you are actually trying to make. May be if your next posting, without revealing anything personal, can be more focussed then some clarity can be brought into this discussion. UK Bob |
d00d...first you make your entrapment statement on the concept of repair shops....then you spin off on the complete tangent of fake cp sites....totally different subjects, and totally different types of police work... let's look at the second concept in comparison to prostitution stings..you're driving down the drag and see a hot one on the side of the road...YOU stop and ask what's the going rate...you proceed to get arrested for solicitation...that is quite legal and not considered entrapment because YOU initiated the 'sale'...as a note your first hint should have been the 'hot one'...the same concept will apply to the fake cp sites...if you surf for pron you will most likely come across some of them...seems to me you have 2 simple choices...ignore them (which usually takes the clearing out of your cookies and flash player cookies to get yourself away from the linking process amongst those sites) or report their urls to the appropriate people...when I used to surf pron I would report them..if YOU make the choice to browse in them your IP will probably be tagged and an eye will be kept upon you...if you join one, YOU sunk your own boat... |
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I do a LOT of data recovery and computer repairs at home, just as a hobby. While I don't go through peoples files when I recover them, I often see porn titles, and that's no problem (I have enough of it myself :D ). I'm just VERY glad I've never come across any KP, so I've not had to face the reporting issue. The ONLY issue I have, lately, is that a LOT of fake files are out there, that could innocently be downloaded. It's happened to me, until I got wise...and although it WASN'T kp, it still had something about it in the title. I'm sure you've all seen them....it'll be something like this "Frat party in the woods, extreme action.mpg"...and then a sh** load of spaces followed by the usual references to kp. Now, if like me you don't have that divider drawn wayyyyyyy across to the right, you might not see the crap after the spaces, and go ahead and d/l it. Once you do that, guess what...the title is on your HD, unless you do a complete overwrite. Now, my issue comes here....I may find a title like that in the future on someones drive, without being able to recover enough of the actual footage to tell what it is.....do I report it and possibly completely RUIN someones life for an innocent mistake, or do I give the benefit of the doubt, not report it, and then wonder if I've let a p*** go free? This is part of the reason I don't inspect the content file names (apart from privacy issues)...I'm not interested in finding out what I would do. Just my 2cents. Oh, and while we're on the subject .....what about your IP provider? I don't know enough about how p2p works (I have to read up more, can you tell?...I was using the FAKE shareaza until a few days ago!)....I DO know they can detect the handshakes or something between client/peers/hosts, and consequently block or throttle your connection, but what about the content you are downloading? Is there any way for them to tell? If so, why are they not getting in on it and reporting all these kp hosters and downloaders? It wouldn't be hard for them to search, surely? |
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OK IceCold, here we go: As I understand it, the technology exist for your Internet connection to be traced and monitored and I also believe that there are laws, both in the UK and US, where the authorities can demand from your ISP provider logs of your Internet activities. The technology also exist to perform "deep packet inspections" of your live Internet connection and also some ISPs will try to hack into your computer just to check on you. I remember that when I was a Virgin customer (a UK ISP) some years back they tried to get into my PC but my firewall blocked them. I emailed their helpdesk about this but did not get a reply. As you know, P2P connections can be throttled without affecting normal browser-type connections and most ISPs prefer this to other types of technical solutions because those methods carry inherent dangers to law abiding Internet users. Because the same tracking and snooping technology that can be used to track paedophile-type activity can also be used to read your emails, track your financial transactions and delve into your on-line and private live. However, whenever an ISP announces that they intend to employ snooping technology there is a customer backlash and various privacy activists start to campaign against its installation. Although there are data protection and privacy laws government and big business are always looking for ways to circumvent them, even to the point of breaking those laws and hoping that nobody finds out, e.g. BT's "Phorm" experiment that tracked some of their customers usage. One other thing about P2P, when you are downloading using P2P you are actually downloading from several sources simultaneously and from different points around the world, this type of communication is easier to throttle or block than track. Finally, and to summarise, where there are Internet servers distributing illegal material the necessary national authorities, under US led guidance, are finding and closing them down. However, illegal distribution via P2P are a little more difficult to deal with because the technology that may be employed may intrude into areas of customer privacy. I hope I have answered your question even though my knowledge and experience are UK based. UK Bob |
Thanks for the info Bob. I kinda thought it was that way for the 'deep packet' stuff, and it figures that they wont do it because of 'snooping' issues...and that's kinda understandable. But what about all those out there that share this crap and their IP is easily found by using a client? Why aren't the respective governments shutting these people down? It's not like it would take much to do it! They allow RIAA type organizations to f*** people over, but they can't do anything about KP hosters?! |
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In most western countries, if not all, there are laws against creating, owning, storing, selling and or distributing paedophile materials but there are some countries that won't even acknowledge its existence or just don't have the laws to tackle this kind of problem. I'm guessing here but I believe that these are the countries where criminals will set up their selling and distribution activities from and, unfortunately, the Internet that we all know and love makes this criminal endeavour possible. UK Bob |
Yeah, I see your point Bob, and I understand that not every country has the means of cares enough. But still, I believe that our western countries should take it more seriously. BTW, I'm a Brit, but been in Canada for the last 11 years....so...howdy :) Mike. |
Agreed, most of this stuff is hosted in just a couple of countries. IceCold: The people who are into kp tend to be collectors. If your client is one of them, you won't find just a couple of suspicious titles of deleted videos; they'll probably have many GBs of it on a drive (with TBs more in their stash). BTW My friend's son, a US citizen, lives in the UK. He tells everyone there he's a Canadian. |
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Dear Gnutella forummers, How are you guys doing? I think I tried to post this in another thread but, for some reason, it didn't show up. Perhaps, though, this thread is more appropriate for it. I have a specific question about a legal situation. I have a young male friend who is 14-years-old who has been chatting and sexually befriending a 26-year-old male. The older male, protective of himself, didn't give much information about himself except for the fact that his name is "John." On the other hand, his face and body figure became clear when he cammed naked with the 14-year-old, who was also naked on came. The mother found out about their skype sessions (camming and sexual messages) and reported the chatlogs and cam vids to the police (before grounding her son). The police doesn't know the 26-year-olds real name, but they say that since they know his supposed first name and what his face and body figure looks like, they can put him on a federal database. My questions are as following: By federal database, the police means that one thing they could possibly do is detect him at airports, shall he ever use one. How exactly can they do this if they don't have his real name? Specifically what do they do? Also, what crime has he commit and, if caught (which I hope he is), what punishment(s) might he be facing? Finally, if there is a national statistic or a state-wide statistic (they also know that he is somewhere in California), what are his chances of being caught? |
Hi RGHRGH (How do you pronounce that?) I will attempt to answer some of your questions, with my ageing technical knowledge, and maybe the other forum members can pick up the questions I cannot answer. Here we go, you asked in one of your questions: Quote:
A person's body type can change with illness, dieting, surgery or any other thing you can think of, in other words body type can change over the course of a person's life. It is more likely that this person is a known sex offender and they, the authorities, already have a mug shot of him. You also asked: Quote:
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Please note that under your "Patriot Act" all ISPs must keep a log of their user's activities for the authorities to inspect as and when required. So once the police contacts the offenders ISP with the relevant time and date then there is no hiding place. That perverts days are numbered and he his looking at "years" in prison when he is caught. UK Bob |
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