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Old November 26th, 2001
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I think it is Zeeland (apologies for the bad spelling) that does not recoginise intl copyright law,

what would happen if a Gnutella proxy/servent network was set up there and in other copyright lax locations, parts of Europe Near East, Indian Sub Continent and Asia, would these be immune to snooping by Corps and Govts outside of their respective companies, if for example I setup a gnutella sevent on a dedic server with moderate bandwidth with an array or three of mass storage, and used that as a file store (yes I would have to pay for the Bwidth but I do that now anyway) what would sony, warner, UA, fox, etc and the RIAA(chortle no power in most of the world) be able to do.

Ok I am not a lawyer, and I have been awake for over 36 hours (damned caffeine diet) but I cannot immediately see a problem with it
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Old November 26th, 2001
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Hi!

Gnutella need no proxy/servent - every client is a server, this is P2P!

Only the law of your country is important!

Morgwen
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Old November 26th, 2001
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Smile Re: Copyright Law

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Originally posted by Puddytat
I have been awake for over 36 hours (damned caffeine diet)
Well, and just what made you do that? Do you know you loose neurons quicker if you do not sleep enough? Do you know that suicide tendencies increase when you lack of sleep?

Go to bed NOW!
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Old November 26th, 2001
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Appologies if this has been asked before (and i am sure it has), but how will my country detect that i have infringed copyright law if i download an M-peg?
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Currently, most usually will not.

It is possible these days to perform packet analysis to see what data is been sent to a from a particular computer.

If the government in question is particularly draconian, then it is possible that they might instruct the ISP's in the country to report/analyze known P2P traffic, i.e. in Gnutella's case, traffic flowing to and from port 6346 (although a Gnutella client can sit on any port).

It may be the case then that traffic to these ports is checked to see if they are part of an illegal file transfer.

However, this is worse case scenario. Possible, but for most countries it is highly unlikely.

I would imagine that the only countries affected would be perhaps some Middle-Eastern or countries with a strict government (some dictatorship and communist countries) control.

With most countries have too many users and the ISP's are like telephone companies; not responsible for the data that flows through their computers so they will only take action when it either interferes with the well being on their network or if forced to by an outside enforcement agency. Besides, with the sheer number of users most ISP's deal with, constant monitoring would be a hugely expensive exercise.

However, at the end of the day, the choice is yours. There is always a chance, however small, that you may get 'picked up'.
Take a look at http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...&threadid=5015 for one such report.

However, if you are sharing files, then the risk jumps up considerably: Another risk are the copyright holders/representatives. Since any Gnutella client can see any other Gnutella client, there is noting stopping copyright holders/or their representatives from doing searches for any file and having found the files in question, harvest the IP addresses and inform the ISP's or law enforcement officials in question. From that point who knows...

Rachel

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