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Old January 27th, 2002
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Question Decentralize host-caches

Hi folks

i have a question. Why arent really the hosts decentralized ?
If one of these 4 hostes are killed by bad man:

>Host caches are the only centralized part of Gnutella.

The whole network isnt working any more. The Target has to be a software client /servant, that gets free from these rooters by collecting or cratching Ip`s on lokal programm.

Limewire for example in version 1.2. has the option to collect (Get more) iP.s Ok you have 1000 collected and have to wait untill one of them is online.
But if ist killed nowone gets a contact to the network.
The new Limewire has no funktion to collect hosts on lokal client.
X-Cache ist to complicated for me and normal user.

So it is the old question from forum:

> Where do I now get my IP-adresses from?
> Hmmm, neither nor seem to be working.
> Will I have to ask people who are already connected via irc for IPs anytime I want to
> connect? Isn't there anybody out there running a similiar service like Gnutellshosts?
> I just hope this won't be a catastrophy to the Gnutella-network.
> Guido

>what we need is a list of static-ip servents that can be downloaded from a high-capacity >website by any client if the user clicks a 'find more hosts'-type button.

The problem is, that NO GNUTELLA ClIENT has any mor such a button !!!!!!!!!!

>If so, what clients are best for recording and retaining hosts that I have connected to >for future use?

>I prefer Furi to LimeWire as it has this enormous list of servers available on the >gnutella network (even the ones i am not connected to).
> If one of those central servers (which only hold a list of peers, nothing more, nothing >less) get kicked, it is only too simple to set up a new one.
>Don´t worry, there is nearly anything that can be done against gnutella.

So develop a tool, to collect hosts in every client / servant

And the truth is, you cannot use limewire version (which has the host collecting funktion) with any host-caches. Why isnt this tool working any moe ... so there has to be any option to disable the whole network ?

I want my buddies to get a connection to the network, and not a central host-cache !

Change it or can anybody answer me these questions ?
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Old January 27th, 2002
Join Date: January 13th, 2002
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Default save the collected addresses on the client side

It's quite possible to have the client save all the addresses collected via the "X-Try", "X-Try-Ultrapeer" 0.6 handshake headers, and maybe pongs.

Write them to a file in the application directory; use that list again the next time to get connected.

With a list of say 1000 hosts, you shouldn't have a problem getting connected, without even knowing the address of a dedicated host cache.

(It would surprise me if no client does this right now!)

There is still the problem of the initial connection after downloading. So, just supply the app with a huge addresses file, or just the addresses of some dedicated host caches.
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Old January 28th, 2002
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Default Re: Decentralize host-caches

Originally posted by Unregistered
Hi folks

i have a question. Why arent really the hosts decentralized ?
If one of these 4 hostes are killed by bad man:

>Host caches are the only centralized part of Gnutella.

Or killed by the RIAA. This is currently a serious vulnerability in Gnutella.
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Old January 28th, 2002
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What I have suggested before is a cgi script anyone can add to their website that a gnutella client can be set to post to every so often. Or have it try to connect to the Gnet every 4 hours and collect a few hundred fresh IP's.
If they also knew about each other, they could also hold a list of other list.cgi scripts available.
You get the point --- have a lot more static host caches out there, not just a few.
If you use your client every day you almost never have to connect to a static host cache anyway.
This is also one of the reasons I developed NapShare's automation feature so people would run their clients 24/7 and make the network more stable.
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Old January 29th, 2002
Join Date: August 9th, 2001
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA
Posts: 358
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Naptime: you're in luck. I've got one in the works right now, only thing is that it doesn't allow true Gnutella connections. But if you can retrieve the addresses and save them for later - who cares :-) (My client will be able to use them directly from the Web by the way)
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Old January 31st, 2002
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Thumbs up Decentralize host-caches BY PHEX


the only Gnzutella tool which collects host-ips lokal is PHEX
Hi Cultiv8tor - I dont like webbased Search engines, Because there is also the possibility to ask me for "entrance money".

We need a lokal programm where i can collect ips lokal an keep them as my buddies. PHEX does this. I tryed it out. So you can either coos between connecting via Gnutella-host or by your lokal in PHEX collected ip`s.
U also can determin which Gnutella-cache oder delete them all. So there is only the way to get connected by YOUR Peer, sored lokal in Phex.

THIS is the TOOL !
The Remove Button is a liitle bit Dangerous placed. And we need an option to care for your IPS. to attribute them like Always on, second priority or something like that.

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Old January 31st, 2002
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cultiv8r is flying high

Gawd, the forum is tragicly slow today. Anyway...

No, I certainly don't have a web-based search - I don't like them as they don't contribute to the network.

What I meant is a program that runs in the CGI on port 80, which collects and sends out IP addressess. Users could manually fetch the addresses, or Gnutella clients can do this automatically (which is something mine could do).

This is much easier for certain people, especially since not everyone has access to a full-blown server at home or the office that is capable of handling a decent load. Instead, they can use, say, a shared hosting plan (and since its just a CGI application, it'd be fine to run under most circumstances).
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I am getting curious about your client, when will it be available for download ?
Het algemeen gnutella forum in Nederlands

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Old February 3rd, 2002
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Thumbs up Robust Client

I agree with cultiv8r. I think that all those things may be implemented in the client/server software. As a last resource, the client may look for some gnet node from the local network, or some netmask related with the actual IP#.
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