OpenSource P2P Net Discussion Thread

[mrgone4662]

Originally posted by Anonnn
Sorry, one step at a time, the client isn't fully blocking yet.

So you came on here misrepresenting what your client was doing with the intention of getting people to freeload on the gnutella network. Does that about sum it up?

sooner or later someone leaches something from someone else, bearshare leached off gnutella .56 to get started then limewire then the rest
napster leached off the recording artists, then kazza then morpheus
the difference is bearshare, limewire and the rest made bucks from it all
whenever political change happens it raises the worst in people, and a lot of nit picking
change is hard to accept

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Unregistered
change is hard to accept

I think not!

But if you really want to freeload from the clients, this isn´t much better what they are doing! So if you think you need changes block them totally not only in one way - now you can accept YOUR change!

Morgwen

Could this be why there's lots of BS, LW, MRPH etc clients?

The hostcache(s) is/are polluted by ordinary gnutella clients.

This is because people running opensource p2p were previously running gnutella, and are targetted by pings from gnutella clients who have their ip and port number from say yesterday.

The solution is for EVERY user of opensource to ensure that they use a different port number than they used for gnutella.

And I guess it means starting a new fresh hostcache from scratch - it won't just evolve to lost these clients, I think.

But I'm not sure if this is right. If these are gnutella clients, they are gnutella clients which don't discriminate against clients with incorrect handshake IDs.

Does this make sense? Or are there just a whole lot of people who've hacked their LW, BS etc clients?

How do I use telnet (or wget or something) to grab a connect id from an IP?

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Unregistered
The solution is for EVERY user of opensource to ensure that they use a different port number than they used for gnutella.

You can use a different port of course but you are still connected with Gnutella or do you think only because you changed the port you have a new net?

Morgwen

let me get this straight anyone can download this client and connect and everyone that posted a IP so far has files shared and you call this freeloading? what about the people who freeload off of us by selling us ads using our own computer time? are you upset at them? did they give you computer time or money back in return? no the software isn't payback when you can get it for free elsewhere. are the new morpheus people shring back? how do you know? all I got so far is file sucking like mad since they came on you think these people never saw a avi or mpeg file in their life. all I get back from them is old dusty mp3 files that are everywhere already. who says you can't get a file from this new network? did you read the source code? all I see is modified connect strings and those aint used to down/upload, heck you can use a browser it dont use those connect strings. and who says they are freeloading if they download from open source clients? dont users have a choice?

[mrgone4662]

If there was ever a client that should be blocked from gnutella this is the one. Yeah, we all know bs and lw prefer bs and lw nodes, but at least they haven't targeted specific clients to "leech only" from. The people who get screwed in this situation are the end users.

So take your client elsewhere, build your own network, and stop trying to do damage the gnutella network.

(And to reiterate what morg has said: Just because you use a different port does not mean you are using a different network! There are already plenty of us out there that run gnutella clients on ports other than 6346 or 6347.)

[mrgone4662]

Originally posted by Ontheloose
let me get this straight anyone can download this client and connect and everyone that posted a IP so far has files shared and you call this freeloading?

1.) How do you know they all have files shared?
2.) It is freeloading off of those people that are blocked from downloading but not uploading.

what about the people who freeload off of us by selling us ads using our own computer time?

If they "sold" you something then you got something in return. Besides, look at the top of your screen. Nice banner ad huh? Maybe you shouldn't even be here considering your argument.

are you upset at them?

Nope.

did they give you computer time or money back in return?

No, they gave me software.

no the software isn't payback when you can get it for free elsewhere.

You do not get them same software for free elsewhere, unless of course you're stealing it. You can get different software that performs similar functions which may or may not suit your tastes.

are the new morpheus people shring back?

I'm willing to bet that at least some of them are.

how do you know?

Educated guess... and I download from them.

all I got so far is file sucking like mad since they came on you think these people never saw a avi or mpeg file in their life. all I get back from them is old dusty mp3 files that are everywhere already.

Did you ever use the old Morpheus? You could find tons of avi and mpeg files there. Do you really think that those just disappeared?

who says you can't get a file from this new network?

What new network? This isn't a new network, it is a client seeking to do damage to the existing network for its own gain.

did you read the source code? all I see is modified connect strings and those aint used to down/upload, heck you can use a browser it dont use those connect strings.

Didn't need to read the source code, the guy who made this already admitted to one way blocking.

and who says they are freeloading if they download from open source clients?

Whether or not the client side applications are open source has no bearing on freeloading from the network.

dont users have a choice?

Users absolutely have a choice. They have the right to choose whichever client they like (even if it is bs or lw) and they shouldn't be punished for it.

The only people that need "punishing" are those actively trying to damage the network.

So I say, get out. You want your own network then put some effort into making it. Don't just sit here and leech off people because their politics don't match your own.

If you have comments, please make them constyructive.

Do not simply say 'you are doing it wrong' if you can't point out where we are wrong.

**** ***.

[mrgone4662]

I have a constuctive comment. You are in the wrong place, find a new home.

If you claim this is a different network then what are you doing posting this on a forum dedicated to the gnutella network? Shouldn't you find someplace else for your rhetoric?