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IANAL, but from the GPL:

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0. This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The "Program", below, refers to any such program or work, and a "work based on the Program" means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. (Hereinafter, translation is included without limitation in the term "modification".) Each licensee is addressed as "you".
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These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.
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3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

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b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)
If it's compiled into the gnucleus source code, and distributed together I believe you must also release the source code to these modifications. At least that's how I understand it. I still hope you're trolling (the gpl and this privacy crap? haha), or have a good explaination of how you interpret the gpl differently from me.
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"your CPU is contributing to the wealth of those who would manipulate the Gnutella network for their self-benefit."
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Use the Moose!
Nah, I'll continue to use what I'm using now... it's free, and I don't have to contend with the possibility, however remote it might be, that my personal information is being collected for someone else's benefit.
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If it's compiled into the gnucleus source code, and distributed together I believe you must also release the source code to these modifications. At least that's how I understand it.
That's how I understand it as well.

However, not that it's going to make much difference. My guess is that within a week or so of Moose's release, there will be a "FreeMoose" floating around anyway as long as the major part of the source is released. Someone is bound to do it.
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The source code for Moose has been previously released at gnucleus.net
Really? Where is it now? Or will you be releasing it again when Moose is completed?
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Originally posted by Smilin' Joe Fission my personal information is being collected for someone else's benefit
Yea, like BearShare does with it's spy packets.
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Get Greed off Gnutella! Block, block, BLOCK them!

"From legitimate advertising companies with Fortune 500 clients to unethical hackers working in covert networks, organizations are eager to tap your computer. But advertisers, publishers, industry pundits and journalists rarely agree on definitions of the emerging niches of "adware" and "spyware," two forms of software that usually piggyback on another, more popular program."

http://news.com.com/2009-1023-885144.html
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<A HREF="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=debian+spyware&hl=en&lr=lang_en&selm=hand ler.113155.D113155.100994628911878.ackdone%40bugs. debian.org&rnum=3">This</A> is what happens to spyware on <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/">Debian</A> linux.

Link is to a bug report filed regarding a program which sent the user's email address to login to a server - the patch stops this behaviour and changes login to a free cddb server instead of a commercial one. The free one works perfectly.

That's about as severe as the spyware problem gets on Debian, and that's the only package I could find which has ever had the label spyware applied, among some 4000 odd packages.

No, I tell a lie - here is <A HREF="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=debian+spyware&start=40&hl=en&lr=lang_en& selm=handler.126814.D126814.10097440008326.ackdone %40bugs.debian.org&rnum=48">another</A> - this time an ftp program which sends the real user name while logging into ftp servers.

Note that your milage with 'commercial' linux distributors may vary: Debian is totally non-commercial. I expect FreeBSD, NetBSD, and certainly OpenBSD would have similar anti-spyware attitudes. They are all additionally extremely robust and easily-maintained operating systems. Just follow the directions and ask questions on usenet & irc.

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Another example of blatant greed. This guy took Gnucleus and uses it as a marketing tool for his other $14.95 offers, and those offers look like re-labeled software anyway.
http://music-magnet.com/

So copy this web site, change the name and make a bundle $$$$.
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Music Magnet looks like a second tier ripoff to me. It almost looks like this guy used the source from the Morpheus Preview Edition which uses the source from Gnucleus. The main interface looks almost exactly like the one from Morpheus.
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