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I can't see any songs listed. The info says they're there but I can't even see the listings. I just did a clean install to Mac OS 9.2 and was running Limewire just fine before this. I don't know if it's a coincidence or not. Is anyone else having this problem? Any suggestions? I'm using 2.4.4. Thanks
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Hello!

It has happened to me to sometimes about 2-3 times(not in version 2.4.4 hovewer) that I have receieved a blank search result page but the search tab indicated alot of hits.I have no clue why it did so but it was not a problem for me since my client was working just fine afterwards.

However once I did the misstake of maximizing the Download window by dragging the dotted bar area so that the download window covered all the search result field leaving just the search tabs visible(because I had so many downloads going on at the same time and I wanted a good overwiev of them).And then several hours later when I returned to do new searches I would just see the number of hits in the search tabs and I could not figure out what was wrong until I noticed that the field acctually said Downloads and not the ordinary search results fields.So I just minimized the download window by clicking on the down arrow head in the dotted bar area and voila all the results where there just hidden from view before.

So you should check that!

If it turns out that this was not the problem and that the blank search field error persist even after you have re started LimeWire then I do not know what could be the cause of it.

Maybe if you tried a re install of both the Java MRJ 2.2.5 and the latest version of LimeWire would solve it then.
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Dear Joakim: Thanks but that wasn't the problem. I tried downloading the software again but still nothing. Thanks anyway for your indepth reply. Any one else have any ideas why this is happening?
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Hello!

Sorry that it did not work.I only have a few more suggestions to try:

1.Make Sure that you installed MRJ 2.2.5 at the correct place(Macintosh HD>Applications(Mac OS 9)>Programs and Accessorys(or something similar)>Mac OS Runtime For Java

And also make sure that you have assigned 30000k of preffered memory to it.

1.Make sure that LimeWire is installed at its proper location Macintosh HD>Applications (Mac OS 9)>LimeWire

And make sure that atleast 40000K of preferred memory is assigned to it.

You might wonder why is the location important?

Well I dont know exactly but I do know that I have encountered some really strange problems with LimeWire by installing it in the wrong place(Just for fun).It's weird but it might just work by changing its location to the proper place.

And know to one final desperate action that might solve your problem:

Close all open applications

Go here:

Apple menu>Control Panels>Appearance control panel

Here check the following:

1. Click the Fonts tab.

2. Choose a font from the Views Font pop-up menu, and a point size from the Size pop-up menu. The default setting in Mac OS 9 is Geneva 10-point. Select Charcoal for large system fonts and Geneva for the others and ofcourse in the small text field select 10 points as the size.

3. Close the Appearance control panel.

Now Re start your computer and see if it worked.

If did not then I have now clue to what is wrong.But you should check the inegrity of your HD using a disk utility.And ofcourse rebuild desktop and zap PRAM.
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Have you noticed that the market is not exactly flooded with Java apps for the Macintosh? There are reasons.

Assigning Limewire almost twenty times the minimum RAM is a needless waste of your computer's resources.

It doesn't matter if apps are open when you change the appearance manager. Why Charcoal? Why not the old standard default Chicago??

The default location for MRJ is *not* Applications, but System Extensions and Program support within that. If, however, the sys CD you used for the clean install did not have the latest MRJ, then it was overwritten with the previous version. Unless you have moved it, it will have installed in the proper place.

Rebuilding the desktop is always good maintenance. Zapping the PRAM basically gives you something to do, but actually resolves few problems.

I would check the MRJ version, then reinstall the latest Limewire. If that doesn't work, perhaps you can find an earlier version or wait for he next one to be released.
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Have you noticed that the market is not exactly flooded with Java apps for the Macintosh? There are reasons.

Assigning Limewire almost twenty times the minimum RAM is a needless waste of your computer's resources.

It doesn't matter if apps are open when you change the appearance manager. Why Charcoal? Why not the old standard default Chicago??

The default location for MRJ is *not* Applications, but System Extensions and Program support within that. If, however, the sys CD you used for the clean install did not have the latest MRJ, then it was overwritten with the previous version. Unless you have moved it, it will have installed in the proper place.

Rebuilding the desktop is always good maintenance. Zapping the PRAM basically gives you something to do, but actually resolves few problems.

I would check the MRJ version, then reinstall the latest Limewire. If that doesn't work, perhaps you can find an earlier version or wait for he next one to be released.
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Yes there is reasons why the Mac market is not flooded with Java Apps for macs.But that is not because Mac is worse at handeling Java then Windows or Unix.The reason is mainly due to history.In the past Macintosh computers and their MRJ applet readers was poor at execute Java correctly with the result that your Mac crashed when executing them and also it did not handle Java Scripts well either.I personally remember how often my Mac used to crash when visiting heavy Java Websites just a couple of years ago.But the introduction of MRJ 2.2.x was a blessing for us Mac Users and I no longer have problems with Java scripts or applets.But at that time the Classical Mac OS which I still use was at its end of life and Apple introduced Mac OS X with the result that no Java Apps(well almost no Java apps thank good for LimeWire) where developed for Macs.

You missinterpretted my suggestion.I suggested that he/she should have increased the preffered memory(maximum) and not the minimum value.You should never increase the minimum value only the maximum value.And Apple recommends that you assign 30000-32000K of maximum memory to MRJ and minimum 40000K(But preferrably 64000) to LimeWire.

Yes you are correct that it does not matter if apps are open when opening the Appearance control panel but my experience is that not all apps are able to adapt the changes without a re-boot of the computer thats why I suggested that He/She should turn off all open apps and then make the adjustments and re-start his/hers mac.

The reason I suggested Charcoal for the large System Fonts is because I think it looks best.However the most important thing to change is the other Fonts options to Geneva 10 points that is because it is the default and many apps will have problems displaying content in lists if that is changed.


I am Using Mac OS 9.1 and the default location for Mac OS RunTime For Java has always been Macintosh HD>Applications(Mac OS 9)>Program extras(Or something similar not exactly sure what it is called in English OS).For me the System Extensions folder inside the System Folder is turned off by default.
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You missinterpretted my suggestion.I suggested that he/she should have increased the preffered memory(maximum) and not the minimum value.You should never increase the minimum value only the maximum value.And Apple recommends that you assign 30000-32000K of maximum memory to MRJ and minimum 40000K(But preferrably 64000) to LimeWire.

Sorry, Joakim, but you have misunderstood me. The default for LW is minimum: 1101 KB, preferred and recommended: 2125 KB. And you are saying what a wonderful world it would be to give LW 64000K??????? This might have been a good idea back in the days of memory leaks, but now it is really quite excessive. If an error happens when you give LW 5 or 10 MB, then it will happen if you give it that much as well. And if by chance one really does need to give LW complete control of your computer in such a way, then it is a very poorly written app.

Your Mac will not explode if you increase the minimum RAM allocated, or set minimum as the same as preferred/rec. I don't know where you get your information. I've been doing it for years to assure various apps. lots of breathing room (Word, for example), and as I recall, this was even a suggestion for Word.
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You missinterpretted my suggestion.I suggested that he/she should have increased the preffered memory(maximum) and not the minimum value.You should never increase the minimum value only the maximum value.And Apple recommends that you assign 30000-32000K of maximum memory to MRJ and minimum 40000K(But preferrably 64000) to LimeWire.

Sorry, Joakim, but you have misunderstood me. The default for LW is minimum: 1101 KB, preferred and recommended: 2125 KB. And you are saying what a wonderful world it would be to give LW 64000K??????? This might have been a good idea back in the days of memory leaks, but now it is really quite excessive. If an error happens when you give LW 5 or 10 MB, then it will happen if you give it that much as well. And if by chance one really does need to give LW complete control of your computer in such a way, then it is a very poorly written app.

Your Mac will not explode if you increase the minimum RAM allocated, or set minimum as the same as preferred/rec. I don't know where you get your information. I've been doing it for years to assure various apps. lots of breathing room (Word, for example), and as I recall, this was even a suggestion for Word.
Hello!

Yes you are correct.I forgot for a moment that LimeWire is a Java App and behaves differently from ordinary apps.You do not have to allocate memory to LW it is one of the very few apps on a Mac that does that on its own just like apps do in Windows(But ofcourse it is limited by MRJ settings).I have given memory allocation advices so often when it comes to trouble shooting on the Apple Discussion Boards where I am a member for the past 3 years that it almost has become a reflex response.

However what is important is that enough memory is assigned to MRJ it should have a minimum of 30000K as the maximum value but there is no need to touch the minimum setting(and also you need minimum 64MB of free available Physical RAM to run Java Apps effectively and stable on Mac OS 9.1X and also VM turned off).

My experience with increasing the minimum settings is that it increases instability on computers with little RAM.I will use Internet Explorer 5.1.4 as an example.

I have assigned 46600k as the maximum value and left the default minimum value to 11792K.

This means that when I start IE up it will grab a chunk of RAM with the size of 46600(Even if IE tends to allow itself to go over that value slightly when heavily used).But it will start up by using only 11792K as breathing room but the more you use IE and the heavier sites you visit the more memory will be eaten up and eventually you will exceed the minimum value and start eating up on the rest of the breathing room that I have allowed for that app(but as I said IE is one of those apps that even goes over that value a little bit before crashing).This means that If I increase the minimum setting the rest of the breathing room becomes less and I also have to allocate the equivalent amount of more memory in the maximum setting.If I just leaves the minimum setting alone then I can do with less total RAM for that App.

To check how large memory chunks that every open app are currently using on your computer go here:

Apple Menu>About This Macintosh

Then when that window is open then go to the Help Menu and select Show Balloons.Now move your mouse cursor over each app and you will see the breathing Room that each and every app are currently using and hence the amount of memory left of each chunk allocated to each app.

But if you have little RAM 128MB or less and wants to use apps where stability is extermly important such as word processors Word etc then you should run it as a stand alone application with VM turned on and increase both the minimum setting upwards with 50% and the maximum setting with about 100%.So for those types of apps and with not very much RAM then adjusting the minimum setting is adviceable.

And no no Mac will explode when assigning more memory in the minimum setting 10.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.BOOM
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We're getting off-topic here, but I wouldn't use IE as an example of anything other than M$ bloat. Good grief! use iCab! Or at least clear your IE cache periodically.
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Dear Joakim and Freiluft:

Thank you for all your suggestions but I'm somewhat confused. I did everything you suggested: changed the font, increased the memory, reinstalled MRJ 2.2.5 and downloaded the latest Limewire version but still nothing. It'll find a million songs but I can't see any of them. I have some questions: After I reinstalled MRJ 2.2.5 I couldn't find it. Does it have an extension? Is it .smi or is it just called "Mac OS Runtime for Java" (spelled out like that)? Is the .smi just part of the install since the memory devoted to it is only 192? And is the folder in Applications (Mac OS 9) called Apple Extras or is it the Systems Extension/Program support folder I should be placing it into? Sorry. I'm very thankful for all your help but am a bit confused and frustrated since I cannot seem to correct this problem. Also, does it have anything to do with File Sharing? I can't remember if it was on before but it's off now. Thanks again.
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