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Old September 13th, 2004
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alright so i just moved down to school and after about 2 weeks the apparently started blocking all p2p networking on the campus.

i sent an email asking about it and the reply i got was that in order to put up a case i would:
"You would be expected to provide specific details about the type of
information you need access to, and to demonstrate that what you need is
necessary in your academic program course(s) and that there is no other
means of accessing that information."

i know im definitely going to try and fight this, i just dont know how yet.
has anyone had this problem? can the school put a check on what we can and can't use on our computers?
i was going to try and go with its limiting our natural right of freedom of expression or something like that..
and i was thinking if that didnt work i would have to try and crack thru this blocking system..
anyone know how a p2p block would work? or if theres another way to dl stuff?
any input much appreciated thanks
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Originally posted by Inferno4420
can the school put a check on what we can and can't use on our computers?
The answer is very simple, as long the school pays for the internet THEY CAN! You should also realize that the school has no flat rate they pay per traffic and sharing applications cause much traffic, so if you try to crack the firewall you should know the chance is very high that they catch you and they sure won´t be very happy...

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thanks for the reply, im not here to argue, but more to gather ideas for myself.

i understand that the school "pays" for the internet. But myself, as a student pay for the school and in turn its the students that pay for the internet, so therefore should the students not have a decision on what kinds of programs and/or risks we want to take on our computers?
I'm not to confident on this position, well, i am, but im not confident putting it up against the IT of the school because im sure i'll get shot down.
would anyone care to retort?

could use any ideas, opinions, or whatever on eigther side of the argument.
is it hopeless?
can the school get in trouble for this?
any feedback please.
thanks
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so basically the school doesn't get into trouble, just me if i'm caught 'sharing' files, isnt that right?

so basically there would be no reason for the school to put a block on p2p.. no personal reasons anyway if they can simply track down the person sharing files.

downloading, to my understanding, is legal in most cases, correct?
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so basically there would be no reason for the school to put a block on p2p..
There is a reason, the internet connection is to help you in your school NOT TO SHARE FILES, the extra traffic cost the school a lot of money which has NO VALUE for your study, its very simple isn´t it. AFAIK there are terms of use which you sure signed have a look there.

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downloading, to my understanding, is legal in most cases, correct?
ONLY legal material. Downloading copyrithed material is illegal, at least in the most countries including USA, Germany etc.

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so are there any ways to get around this copyright law?

like say, if i was a librarian distrubuting burnt CDs?

or maybe if i advertised for those artists that i dowloaded and played.

any loop holes at all, any, that anyone can think of that would enable me to download copyrighted music legally?

i need some feedback.
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so are there any ways to get around this copyright law?
You can ignore it...

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any loop holes at all, any, that anyone can think of that would enable me to download copyrighted music legally?
Of course join itunes or a similar website, pay $0,99 per download that is the only way to download music legally and the good thing your school don´t block such downloading...

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or maybe if i advertised for those artists that i dowloaded and played.
just think about what you wrote... do you think the music industry needs 80.000.000 advertisers or do they need 80.000.000 customers?

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well hey guys thanks for the replies.

i'm in denial so i guess it took a while to pound thru my skull.

i guess im stuck with itunes then, until i figure out how to get access to the network and dl music from other people computers on campus hehe
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Or you decide to get political and begin fighting for legal file-sharing, which can mean: Everyone with a fast internet-connection pays additional 5 bucks per month, and for this you are allowed to share and music and film you want.

On the long run that might give you filesharing back.

Sadly I only have german resources on that: http://attac.de/wissensallmende
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5 Dollar wouldn´t be enough, perhaps 500... you know what you can download with a high speed connection at least 1000 songs, 15 videos or games per month, usually much more, so 5 Dollar would really be a joke for the RIAA/MPAA. And why should only High speed user pay? You can download many songs with a 56k modem...

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