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Old July 16th, 2001
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Default Sent push request

i'm new in here..?? i not now i can use it...??

if the massage sent push request....!!!

what can i do...??
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Old July 16th, 2001
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Default SAY....WHAT?

COULD SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THAT MESSAGE TO ME SO THAT I CAN ANSWER IT?
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Old July 17th, 2001
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Wink Be nice!

It's obviuosly someone with a better grasp of english then you probably have of their native tongue!

Anyway, the push request is sent when the person you are trying to download from is behind a firewall. This alerts them that the file is required and they can open a port to you (if they so choose!) Some clients keep resending the push every minute or so. In some cases it is impossible to download this file if you are also behind a firewall I understand.

Hope this helps

And keep up the excellent english language skills!
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Old July 17th, 2001
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Default You Took It The Wrong Way!

NO-NO-NO!

I ACTUALLY MEANT IT THAT WAY! I REALLY DID!

I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION IN ORDER TO DELIVER AN ANSWER! (If I was insincere, here, I would not be bothering to write this, now!)

The trouble with plain text and text in general, on the Internet, is that I can't inject tone of voice (for example, SINCERITY) and can't produce "accented" words in the way in which I would wish to, as an English Tutor of some 20 years standing.

This type of mis-communication happens in E Mails from web-based (plain-text) E Mail systems and in ICQ messages, often, also.

My response was inspired by URGENCY- NOT CRITICISM!

That's why they were in capital letters (???) in the first place.

[ And, incidentally, about the bitchy comparison of others grasping my language and me grasping theirs? I imagine that this person didn't wake up with the English language, one day, partially installed; they're learning it - and probably because they want to, or need to. I have no wish to have a grasp of anybody else's "native tongue" and I encounter no requirements to do so. ]

I just had the wish to understand the question so that I could answer it. I know what it's like to be concerned about a feature of Gnotella and to be unable to get an answer.

It was meant in a light-hearted, jocular, but not sarcastic way; a way in which, should they wish to, the original poster could take part.

I should imagine, therefore, that I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE who should think a little more before I type and send!
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Old July 19th, 2001
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Oh come on... the original message wasn't very hard to understand. ESPECIALLY not with such a keen grasp of the English language as you both seem to have.

Here's the original, let's decipher it:


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i'm new in here..?? i not now i can use it...??

if the massage sent push request....!!!

what can i do...??
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The only thing that doesn't work here is the use of punctuation, exclamation- and question marks. Let's look through them and correct some of the words:

I'm new in here..?? probably means "I am new here."

So far it's quite easy.

i not now i can use it...?? Since this is posed as a question, much like the previous one, with question marks at the end, we should be able to explore the possibility that they are not intended here either. Thus, we have the sentence: "I not now I can use it", which seems incomprehensible until we discover the missing "k": "I not KNOW I can use it". The meaning will be kind of hard to discern until we try to combine this "sentence" with the next, which is logical since the next one starts with the word "if", which kind of insinuates that whatever was meant is continuing on the next row: "if the massage sent push request...!!!". Notice that the person most likely isn't talking about a massage here, but rather a message. So we must conclude that what is meant is actually: "I don't know how to use it (Gnotella, obviously) if I get the message 'sent push request'.".

The last one: "what can I do...??" most likely is meant to be taken as a question (and not a rhetorical one at that).

So, the message in its entirety would read:

I am new here. I don't know what to do if I get the message "sent push request". What can or should I do?

All this took me less than a second to understand and interprete. Why? Because I PAY ATTENTION to the whole picture. There are not many important, operative words in this message. Look for them and you'll know what is meant.

During the first second, it shouldn't be impossible to notice the words: "New", "push request" and "what should I do"?

Being an active user of Gnotella it isn't really that hard to understand what the guy wants to know. He is encountering Push requests that won't go away (why else would he write to us?). So what's the answer? Easy:

You are getting push requests because the people you are downloading from are behind firewalls or routed so that you can't get their real address. Most likely YOU are firewalled too and two firewalled users can't download from each other if one of them doesn't find out his REAL ip and goes into "setup -> my connection" and types in his REAL ip in the field labeled "force local ip to:".

Another solution is to just NOT download from addresses beginning with 192.168 or 10. They are local addresses and WILL generate push requests.

My apologies to those of you who really had no idea what the guy mean who started this thread.

-JJ
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Old July 20th, 2001
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DEAR JJ...

"Oh come on... the original message wasn't very hard to understand. ESPECIALLY not with such a keen grasp of the English language as you both seem to have."

[ THE WORD "ESPECIALLY" SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED A COMMA (EVEN, SOMETIMES, A DASH AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEGUN THE NEXT SENTENCE! ]

"Here's the original, let's decipher it:" [ BAD COMMA ]

IF IT WAS ALL SO EASY TO UNDERSTAND, THEN WHY DID YOU USE THE WORD "DECIPHER"?

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i'm new in here..?? i not now i can use it...??

if the massage sent push request....!!!

what can i do...??
--------------------------------------------------------

"The only thing that doesn't work [ ABSENT COMMA ] here [ ABSENT COMMA ] is the use of punctuation, exclamation-" ...

THAT DASH/HYPHEN WAS NOT REQUIRED, OH RECTIFIER OF WRONGS, SO...WHY IS IT THERE? IT DOESN'T WORK, HERE!

"...and question marks. Let's look through them and correct some of the words:"

"I'm new in here..?? probably means "I am new here.""

I THINK EVERYBODY WORKED THAT ONE OUT. TAKE A BOW!

"So far [ ABSENT COMMA ] it's quite easy." [ REDUNDANT MODIFIER ("quite") ]

""i not now i can use it...?? Since this is posed as a question, much like the previous one, with question marks at the end, we should be able to explore the possibility that they are not intended here [ ABSENT COMMA ] either. Thus, we have the sentence: "I not now I can use it", which seems incomprehensible until we discover the missing "k": "I not KNOW I can use it". The meaning will be kind of hard to discern until we try to combine this "sentence" with the next, which is logical since the next one starts with the word "if", which kind of..."

SOMEBODY JUDGING OUR GRASP OF ENGLISH IS NOW USING THE LAZY TERM "kind of"?

"...insinuates that whatever was meant is continuing on the next row: "if the massage sent push request...!!!". Notice that the person most likely isn't talking about a massage here, but rather a message. So [ ABSENT COMMA ] we must conclude that what is meant is actually: "I don't know how to use it (Gnotella, obviously) if I get the message 'sent push request'."."

"The last one: "what can I do...??" most likely is meant to be taken as a question (and not a rhetorical one at that)." [ IT OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT BE RHETORICAL! IT IS AMONG ENTRIES MOSTLY COMPRISING REQUESTS FOR HELP. AND THE TERM "at that" IS ARCHAIC AND FORMS A REDUNDANCY! ]

"So, the message in its entirety would read:"

"I am new here. I don't know what to do if I get the message "sent push request". What can [ ABSENT COMMA ] or should [ ABSENT COMMA ] I do?"

"All this took me less than a second to understand and interprete." [ GREAT SPELLING! ]

WELL, IF THAT'S TRUE AND YOU KNEW THE ANSWER, THEN WHY GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS JUST TO ANSWER THE INDIVIDUAL'S QUESTION? IF YOU CARED ABOUT ANSWERING HIS QUESTION, AND KNEW THAT YOUR ANSWER WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HIM, THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT YOUR ANSWER AT THE TOP?

"Why? Because I PAY ATTENTION to the whole picture."

YOU MEAN...AS LONG AS THE WHOLE PICTURE DOESN'T INVOLVE YOUR OWN INADEQUATE...

A. PUNCTUATION (ABSENT COMMAS).
B. LIMPING GRAMMAR.
C. GLARING REDUNDANCIES.
D. INAPPROPRIATE (FORGOTTEN) PREMISE.
E. SENTENCE BALANCE, AND...
F. VIEWPOINT DISCIPLINES?

...ALL OF WHICH "shouldn't be impossible to notice"!

NEXT TIME, TRY SEEING THE "WHOLE PICTURE" OF THE THREADS, HERE.

1. AN UNHAPPY GUY POSTED A MESSAGE THAT POSTER 2 COULDN'T UNDERSTAND.

2. POSTER 2 WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE MESSAGE MEANT AND SAID SO, SINCERELY, ALTHOUGH HE COULD HAVE WORDED HIS ENTRY MORE ADEQUATELY.

3. POSTER 3 TOOK THAT THE WRONG WAY AND MISJUDGED POSTER 2'S INTENTION/ATTITUDE.

4. POSTER 2 RETURNED WITH AN EXPLANATION THAT HIS WORDING WAS SINCERE AND THEN YOU, POSTER 3, BUTTED IN AND DECIDED TO LEAVE HELP FOR THE ORIGINAL POSTER UNTIL LAST AND MAKING 24 ERRORS IN YOUR OWN POSTING!

THAT'S THE WHOLE PICTURE!

"During the first second, it shouldn't be impossible to notice the words: "New", "push request" and "what should I do"?"

"Being an active user of Gnotella [ ABSENT COMMA ] it isn't really that hard to understand what the guy wants to know. He is encountering Push requests that won't go away (why else would he write to us?). So [ ABSENT COMMA ] what's the answer? Easy:"

"You are getting push requests because the people you are downloading from are behind firewalls or routed so that you can't get their real address. Most likely YOU are firewalled too and two firewalled users can't download from each other if one of them doesn't find out his REAL ip [ IP ] and goes into "setup -> my connection" and types in his REAL ip [ IP ] in the field labeled "force local ip to:"."

"Another solution is to just NOT download from addresses beginning with 192.168 or 10. They are local addresses and WILL generate push requests."

"My apologies to those of you who really had no idea what the guy mean who started this thread."

THE WORD "meant" HAS A "t" ON THE END! YOU MUST STRIVE TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE OF YOUR OWN USE OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, ALSO!

I SAW THAT "During the first second"!
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Old July 20th, 2001
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Default Give It A Rest...

Can't you guys just give it all a rest, now. There are two helpful replies on this page. The original guy can see that, now, can't he?

Let's move on!
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Old July 21st, 2001
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Dear Unregistered,

Your senseless scrutiny of my message does only one thing: It proves to us all that even though you may (or may not) know English, you have done the EXACT same thing as the original "unregistered" poster here. For all I know, you and him/her might be the same person.

What you do is take perfectly readable text and in your mind convert it into something so below your dignity, that you absolutely refuse to even try to understand it. It is you, dear unregistered, who need to stand down and revise your view of the world.

Let me just say, that I think your stupidity is the only thing here beyond comprehension.

You can also rest assured that I will not reply to your messages again, until you learn how to register and appear with at least some kind of "real" name.

Your sincerely,

JJ
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