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Old December 29th, 2005
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Default Filtering files size

No your not missing anything. If you move the slider to strict, you won't see much except those files it "Thinks" might be trash, allowing you the option to mark them as not junk.

I have found you don't want to hide them because so many files that aren't junk will be hidden as well.

Crying? Really dumb thing to say.
As for working well, no it doesn't. It works to an extent, but as pointed out, many files that aren't junk get marked junk and you have to mark them as not junk, and the learning never ends. It really has to learn with every new filename.

It is a good attempt with and a good idea, but it doesn't really practically work.
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Working fine for me it took about 2 days to do most of the training. It still occasionally gets one I have to mark as not junk but the application works quite well for me.
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Old December 30th, 2005
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Grandpa !

I'm trying for days only with the audio 134.4 kb spam, using the don't display junk option, first testing with strict , second with about 40% sensitivity - there is no difference. Anything I search, always get the spam, sooner or later - maybe sometimes I connected to "good' UPs.
After marking as junk and researching, I usually get the spam displayed with another search string variation as normal, the marked string displayed as junk 100%.
Marking again the normal ones as junk and researching, I get again the spams displayed, but already with the junk trash icon and 100% displayed in every line. If I try other strings to search too, they all are displayed as junk 100.
The filter works approximately as follows: in 80 % of the cases it doesn't work, every results are displayed, in 15 % it works partly and in 5% fully. I didn't get false junk results.
Maybe You are trying other cases, but I get only this spam.
There is one good outcome: the spams are better visible because of the trash icon and the 100% junk displayed, not only the 134.4 kb size.
I think the developer(s) should work on the filter yet.
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It only took me 2 searches to filter out the typical auto-spam such as mp3 spam & the other type of M_Y_S_E_A_R_C_H type of spam with the ipod adverts. The virii are harder to filter out ... needs a lot of persistence.

You need some references to work with. Here's some: 1. autogenerated spam results, & also
2. autogenerated mp3 spam results

3. WARNING: Viruses on network you should be aware of! (click on link)

* ie: the spam filter will work with both the file size & the filename. As previously said, you need to train it bit by bit. Some spam is easier to filter out than others!
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Old December 30th, 2005
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I've read all of your references, what is wiritten about this 134.4 kb mp3 spam. I must tell that I never downloaded such a file, I have no virus, spyware, adware. This is verified online and regularly with McAfee virusscan, Zonealarm firewall, Spybot search, Spyware Blaster, Ad-Aware 1.5 Personal.
So remain the training of junk filter - I think I've written already how I've done it. Again: I search for Blabla1 blabla2 string, and mark as junk all spam result that is not displayed as junk already, and I repeat this...But this is a never ending cycle: I always get spam displayed - as junk already, and not omitted from the results.
If you can, please tell me concretly, how can I really filter, what would you do in this case.

Thanks your help.
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Perhaps you should set the spam filter for high detection in option settings. Perhaps ensure you have it set to not show spam results.

I cannot explain "why" some people find the junk filter easier to use compared to others. I suspect it has something to do with overall experience with using LW. Just a guess. Experienced users tend to know exactly what to filter out without burning out their thinking cells.
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Old December 30th, 2005
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Yes, I set the options to "Don't Display Junk" and "Strict", but I tried with the sensitivity set about 40 % too.

I only ask the experienced and helpful people here - I only use LW pro about one and half year - to help how to use the junk filter (in an effective way).
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Old December 31st, 2005
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That's a result after training with "Don't Display JunK" and Strict option. As can be seen, there are cases, where there is
no filtering in effect, other searches are partially filtered.
I've tried to mark the junk lines as not junk then junk again - LW removed the lines immediately, but after researching I got again the previous result, maybe with some variaton.
When there is valid result for a meaningful string, the result is the same, but I get valid result lines too.
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Old January 7th, 2006
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Default Hmm

The problem with the junk filter isn't a problem with the junk filter, it's a problem with the viruses. The viruses automatically rename themselves to whatever you search for.
For example a "south park christmas" search will turn up a virus called "south park christmas", and if you mark that as junk then do a search for basically anything else, like "family guy buttsex" a file by that name will turn up and may or may not be marked as junk also, depending on whether the virus has modified a byte randomly or not, causing it to be the exact same file with the same function but having one more 0 or 1 and one less 0 or 1.
Perhaps someone can explain this more thoroughly as I'm tired...

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