kiddie porn
 

Hi there!

Yesterday I checked my Download-Folder of Limewire and had to see there are a dozen kiddie-porn files.

I deleted them of course, but I don't want to have to do that all day. Does anyone of you know a really working filter for that kind of files?

If there is no solution, I think I have to leave the GnuTella Network. It seems like you're in jail with one leg because some *******s :mad: :mad: spread those files over the network

Hope anyone can help

who cares?
 

Some people say kidporn is no problem, and trading is legal.
I think kidporn is a problem, feel free to follow my argumentation at http://www.bearshare.net/forum/showt...=&threadid=441

I'm sure if you searched you could probably find kiddie porn on the internet. Maybe you should stop using it altogether? And really, what's in a name? If you are not being forced to download it than who cares? It's just the price to be paid for using gnutella.

Well. You are right. Nobody needs to download it. But the problem is, that those files are not only have lolita, etc. keywords in their files, but also "common" adult-related keywords so if you are searching for "usual" adult-files you also get those files unwanted.

@Moak
It seems we have the same thoughts about that stuff. But how can anyone really think trading kiddie-porn can be legal?

Here at germany you can get to jail even if you have pix, etc. UNWANTED by the gnutella-network. Of course noone can get rid of those files (a helpless hope), but the problem is that even "normal" guys like me will have to defend themselves because of unwanted files on my harddisk. (even if deleted it's easy to recover)

And I just wait until a tv-magazine will hear about gnutella and those files. Just a matter of time until they tell at tv all gnutella users are pedo. Just like they always try to tell the viewers that 1st. person shooter will take us all to killers.


:mad:

just a question to be on the right track: you downloaded something, but the content of your downloads was not what you expected it to be, right?

@Tomato: I don't think that police/BKA is throwing you into jail, because of downloading some kidporn stuff by accident or misfortune.

@Unregistered: Propably kidporn is only a tiny problem and we can forget talking about it. Actually your servant is used to help trading kidporn, even if you don't search or download yourself. Follow to URL above to see why.

@Axe
Right. But not only once, but very often. And I do not want that kind of files on my HD

@Moak
I have a different view about this. It is not even allowed to save or send material to the police to help them getting kiddieporn traders.

Hi Tomato, I completly agree with that (I live in germany, refering to BKA page it's illegal to download or hunt for kidporn in my country).
Actually I do not download a lot kidporn by accident... sometimes it happens... I ask myself if kiporn is "only" a very small (but very ugly) side aspect of gnutella.
Maybe you wanna follow a new thread at:
http://www.bearshare.net/forum/showt...=&threadid=717

Funny to hear someone "bitch" about porn when I'll bet that same person downloads mp3's, which is also againest the law cause of copywrites !! The internet is full of "LAMERS", my answer to you is go hide under a rock and read your bible more, leave the "downloads" to us "sinners" !!


LONG LIVE THE GNUTELLA NETWORK

kiddieporn vs mp3s?
 

How can you compare kiddie porn in which innocent children are being physically and psychologically abused to sharing mp3s which is not even proven to affect sales? Ugh.

Funny, when I dowload MP3s I also have to tolerate kidporn... what a strange idea. I guess someone is afraid of loosing his kidporn source. Downloading MP3 is legal in my country or philosphy (ist still buy CDs to support my favourite artists), but I won't support sexual abuse of children.
However I still wonder if trading kidporn is happening inside Gnutell or only a very little vanishing fraction.

Unbelievable. Even if MP3 downloading might me against the law. How can anyone compare this with kid porn?

It's like anyone who drove to fast with his car is also a murderer?

Well I found my solution:

I added a bunch of words into my limewire filters. That won't help against the problem of kidporn, but that will never be solved. BUT it helps me from getting those files and that's all I need until now.

Ps (OT):@moak
Funny that two german guys have to talk english to themselves. Siegmund Freud would be very interested...;)

Cant agree with that comparison too. There's a wide range between what's legal, what the music industry thinks is legal, and what is illegal according to 'normal' accepted social standards.

Kiddie porn is unacceptable by any standards (and by luck, I never had any accidental downloads).

@tomato, moak: not two, but three......(but even in the office I mostly speak english. This is normal business, and noth special for Sigmund anymore. Beside this it widens the range of listeners ;)

Kiddie Porn
 

Heheh, ok, my two cents on this.

I'm Canadian, and I've been on the internet a *long* time. About three years ago, I was working in the R&D department of a large ISP in Calgary, Alberta - there was a guy I knew in another department, seemed pretty nice. He was just in the process of becoming one of our group of friends, when suddenly he was fired. I saw him once more after that, and then haven't heard about him - except in the newspaper - since.

What happened was this - he was running a tiny FTP server on his new ADSL connection, with an upload/download ratio set - in order to download, you first have to upload. You know the type, with a bot on IRC advertising in the #whatever-sex channels... He didn't set up his server properly, though, and after uploading a file, you could download from any section of his site, including the "uploads" area.

Well, he went away for a weekend, and when he returned, he found the police waiting for him at his apartment. He was read his rights and taken into custody - where he found out that he was being charged with distribution of child pornography. It turned out that while he was away, his FTP server had had a pile of pics uploaded - a police officer from Germany, of all places, had logged on later, found these pictures, and notified the Calgary Police - within a few hours, they had a warrant for his arrest, seized his computers, and were waiting for him.

He sounds innocent - right? Not really - you're responsible for what your computer offers for distribution, so the case went to court. I have no idea what happened in the case, but the fact remains - the newspapers got ahold of the story, and it was front-page news (as usual) that a child pornographer was busted. What's worse, he was 19 years old - when you're over 18, in Canada, they can release your name and photograph, which they put on the front page of the paper. He lost his job *instantly* - I shudder to think of what happened to him if he actually went to jail over this, he probably wouldn't survive.

Kiddie porn, in my opinion, is just intrinsically *wrong* - but there's still a part of me that will defend freedom of speech. Just don't forget how incredibly *dangerous* is is to have it!!!! It can literally destroy your life; I've seen it happen.

All you need to do is take note of the I.P. address.Then you can report it to the proper authorities.You don't have to verify it.They can do it and you won't have to have it on your hard drive ever.Anyone who would download something even named that way is sick and needs put away as far as I care.

Anyone who downloaded that stuff by mistake.Just deleting the files isn't enough if your hard drive is ever investigated.As we all know you can still recover it.Format your hard drive, burn it, run a big magnet over the ashes, have it degaussed.

Best bet is to not download anything if you don't think you can trust it.The icons indicate wheter it's a picture file,program, document, audio or video.So if your searching for a document and a bucnh of audio and video files come up you can eliminate those right away.Another thing to look out for are those "Lolita" files.
They're usually the bad ones.If Lolita ever comes up don't ever get them

You can also filter them out of your searches. Using your keyword filters you can add words like: .jpg, wmv, .exe or/& others to rid of the spam & other rubbish. You can also remove any of the filters at any time as it suits you. Ticking the ignore adult content option can also help. Where do you find these? For windows: Tools>Options>Filters>keywords & pressing Apply for immediate effect.

Is it possible for an outside user (user A) to hack into a computer
running P2P software such as Limewire (user B)? User B may be running the computer on an unsecured wireless network.

I know that there is a security flaw allowing user A to read user B's files...but what I need to know is whether user A can actually add files to user B's computer, or hack into user B's computer and cause it to appear as if user B was sending certain files, when in actuality it is user A making unauthorized use of user B's computer?

Thanks for any help

AFAIK the answer is no. Person A can only browse or downld files that are shared by person B & vice versa. There was a security issue that was fixed with LW version 4.8.1 so the only accessible files are those that are shared! Double-check your folders that are being shared (Tools>Options>Sharing)

But you should keep an active firewall, anti-virus program with up to date definitions, & the following programs (click green links):

ad-ware (FREE)

Spybot - Search & Destroy (FREE)

Peerguardian (FREE)

There has been a no. of viruses being found across the gnutella network, so check all files you're downlding.

:P blah blah blah damn porn freaks get the real deal its alot better

:buttkick2: I Share mp3’s and Movies and yes that is illegal but doing that verses trading kiddy porn :stick:
Is like jaywalking too murdering someone and you call that person lame for making that comparison. How often in the news do you here that “John Doe” was arrested for downloading music for his personal use. And do they make us music and music sharers register for public safety! :ranting2: If you had a cop standing behind you would you download Music or some kiddy porn. :cheesy:

^cr33p.

There is one easy option, and that's dont download porn from the gnutella network. Just download from a TRUSTED source ONLY. I download mp3's and video's all the time and ive been useing limewire for the past 3 or 4 years now and ive never come accross anything like this being mentioned. Then again i've not downloaded porn using limewire, just use site's like porn hub there's something there for everyone except kiddie porn. That all i have to say on the matter.

I have a serious suggestion that Limewire should adopt...

They should make it VERY clear on their homepage how Limewire works with regards to searches. I mean, I am not a complete internet newbie, but I had no idea that if I search for a general porn term, lots of relevant results will come up that I would be interested in downloading, but equally in amongst them is illegal content which I most certainly would not be interested in! I mean, what is up with that? If that is the way it works then users should be made VERY aware of this in order to stop accidentily downloading something they shouldn't because they assume (as any sane person would) that Limewire would not make illegal files as equally available as legal ones! Especially when it could possibly land a person in trouble through no fault of their own! I am sure I am not the only one who when using Limewire just assumed it would be ok to queue up all the search results for a general search term! That is what it SHOULD be like!

I feel this is Limewire's RESPONSIBILITY to their new users who are not completely savvy with how it all works when they first start to use it. I mean, on the homepage there is a tiny link to "how to use p2p safely", but even on that page the section on adult content fails to mention anything of the dangers to innocent people downloading "wrong" things by mistake. SHOCKING! This has to change! There should be a very clear "before you start" section. Not to mention info regarding mis-named files, etc too! I for one have been put off using Limewire now because of these issues, as I am sure many others have too. I would only return back if these things change.

Limewire, being a p-p program, does not make any files available. All files and file info comes from other users (peers) on the network. That is why it is never a good idea to download all the search results for any search term. Also, LW advises, "Be careful when downloading files from other users as downloading a file from a user who is in violation of the law could make you in violation of the law as well."

Experienced users of p-p programs recommend using Bitzi and Peer Guardian as a means to protect against unwanted file content.

Others who wish to guarantee that they won't download misnamed or otherwise unwanted content use Netflix or other commercial service.

gooooooooooooooooooood

thanks a lot

hi guys, im new here, and here for only one reason: i need help on this issue.

I had LW for just over three years...and being a typical teenage boy, i did download, aside from music, legal porn. But over the years there has been occasions where the file i downloaded turned out to be kp. about 6 months ago, i decided to download some porn i thought was legal, around 12 or so files, and just left my computer to finish. when i got back, i was sickened to find that at least 3 of these were kp. And that was the last straw. i got rid of limewire and all attached files, and had my computer completely formatted and windows reinstalled, not to mention have all free space shredded at least twice to completely remove any trace of anything to do with this corrupted p2p.

its been 6 months, and nothing even remotely incriminating is left on my hard drive, but i am still incredibly worried the police are going to knock on my door one of these days and say you've downloaded kp, you're under arrest". These sick b**tards have forced their sick agenda on me and i now feel afraid as a result. :mad2:

I seriously doubt that for the scenario you detail that anything is going to happen..

formatting does nothing....the shredding of free space does....

marshmarsh16

I totally agree with Peerless, you have shredded your free HD space and so have nothing to worry about.

Primarily, the authorities in the US, UK and worldwide, are looking for producers, distributors and consumers of KP, not someone that accidentally downloaded 2 or 3 videos and then immediately deleted them.

I would suggest that you stop worrying and live your life.

All the best.


UK Bob

thanks, i was just quite worried because it has happened a few times since i got LW way back in 2006.

So who is it that actually finds people uploading or downloading kp? its obviously not LW so i imagine its the ISP's?

ISP's really don't care about such stuff (unless its found being hosted on their servers)...

law enforcement and some private groups do the policing....

interesting. im from the UK and in 2007, my 12 year old cousin came to visit. he's a bit weird and was searching "sexual harrassment" and God knows what else on the internet. just a few days before he was due to leave, my dad got a phone call from our isp (orange) saying we're having out internet temporarily disconnected to investigate "inappropriate use".

this hasn't happened with me downloading kp by accident, so i guess i have nothing to worry about. Still, it makes me so angry that LW, a very useful program, has to be polluted like this :(

interesting.. i always thought it was ISP's. a little while back (2007) my american cousin who's 12 came to visit. he's a bit messed up so he was searching sexual harrasement and other strange stuff online, and a few days before he was due to leave our isp (orange) cut our line to investigate. Nothing happened since then..

and I'm sure such activity was reported to the ISP....woops...you're in the UK....cough, cough..

yeah, there is 'eavesdropping' going on over there...was he using a search engine?..

there are websites where one can report such activities and they will contact the ISP, the law, or both...

cpHotline.org
ASACP: Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection
Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home

in general ISP's aren't too eager to do such policing...it cuts into the profit margin...

as a point of fact: its not LW that is polluted by such things, its certain users that are sharing the material...I can only think of one p2p platform that isn't infested with the stuff, and that's IRC (and it isn't really p2p in that sharing is not required, and because of the way the networks are set up open channels promoting such stuff would be removed by the central servers)...and I bet there are a couple of hidey holes even there...

hm. one thing im wondering is, do the law enforcers or whoever is policing the web and p2p's let a user rack up a load of illegal activity (by which i mean downloading kp) before catching them?

obviously they're supposed to be looking out for the true consumers and primarily, the producers, but in order to do so they will have to wait and observe a user doing it repeatedly? my faith in the justice system is pretty poor so it would be quite worrying to hear that they'll just cuff anyone near the stuff, accidental or not.

Web Snooping in the UK
 

marshmarsh16

You may not be aware of this but the UK Government is well forward in it's plan to snoop on all forms of telecommunications within the country. Please check the following articles:

Snooping database has to happen says gov't - Software - Breaking Business and Technology News at silicon.com

Especially this one from June 2002:

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Official site to advise on state snooping

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Agency denies internet spy plans

In fact, if you search the BBC News website you will find stories of Government plans, dating back to 2000, to snoop on UK citizens Internet usage.

The only way to protect yourself is to restrict your Internet browsing and don't let anyone else use your PC.

Saying that, and as I said before, the Government is looking for persistent offenders and not accidental downloaders.



UK Bob

PS. Also, don't forget that there is a Government backed anti-P2P campaign, run by Virgin, going on at the moment.

yeah, but theres going to be a limit on their snooping. i mean, how long do ISP's keep user records? doesnt the Data Protection Act force them to destroy their files after a certain length of time?

The aussie government discussed this .. afaik (prove me wrong if you like) .. it was down voted .. invasion of privacy. I guess USA & UK govs do not understand or respect privacy. Exception is for Child pornography however in most countries in the world. Over here they will set the person up, not invade them without evidence. In general, the legal approach here is 'innocent until proven guilty'. Whereas I believe in USA 'you are guilty until proven innocent'.

Different countries have different requirements upon ISP's keeping history records (some governments require the ISP keeps records for a certain amount of time.) And also in part it's up to the specific ISP in some cases as to how long 'they' decide to keep records.

you might just be really surprised about this concept....I'd have worded it more like there is no limit to their snooping...

case in point: your story about your cousin....

if you want to read some stuff that is rather scary, go here:

PrisonPlanet Forum - Index

It is not LW that is polluted, it's the Gnutella network.

If the cops are allowed to scan anybody's hard drive, ostensibly for child porn, will I get a fine for using Limewire to get a few tunes? most of which I already have paid for but are on vinyl or cassette tapes.

this is something else i was thinking about. Although downloading music is a MUCH smaller crime than downloading kp, if the authorities have the power to scan hard drives and check download records, why aren't they busting any music downloaders as well as kp downloaders?

What is happening
 

marshmarsh16

I think you are getting confused about "who looks for what" on the Internet in regards to criminal activity.

First of all, the police and other UK government agencies look for signs of fraud, ID theft, terrorism, illegal web sites and anything that can be considered criminal and or terrorist linked activities.

That said, the government still wants all telecoms companies in the UK to keep a record of all communications, i.e. Internet, mobile, land line, IM, etc. that occur on their networks for 12 months.

Snooping database has to happen says gov't - Software - Breaking Business and Technology News at silicon.com

http://www.silicon.com/publicsector/...9443438,00.htm

However, the British Phonographic Industry (BPI), a close associate of the American RIAA, and their agents search the Internet for music sharers, i.e. uploaders and downloaders. The BPI then approach the ISP they suspect the music sharer belong to and demand the sharer's name and address.

Consequently, music sharing in the UK is a civil matter and not yet a criminal one.

I suspect that the BPI is lobbying the government to change the law and make music file sharing a criminal offence as well as giving themselves "police like" powers, similar to the powers the RIAA in America seem to have appropriated.

UK record industry in illegal file-sharing crackdown - Research - Breaking Business and Technology News at silicon.com

ISPs face fresh threat from file-sharing laws - Management - Breaking Business and Technology News at silicon.com

So, the police will not come knocking on your door because you share music files but if you are a prolific sharer you could get a letter from the BPI threatening to sue you.


UK Bob

Well i was getting really annoyed with this, all of this childish stuff. The easiest thing i could come up with to block it from coming up, was to block keywords in the filter option.
For e.g. most of them kind of files hold words like "lolita" and "kiddy" and "******". Just type in the keywords, don't get none of that stuff anymore, but when i type in tigers, tiger porn will come up... geez

slightly off topic, but earlier today i got a phone call from BT. On the phone line in the leisure centre i work in. They just wanted to advertise remote access, but what worried me greatly was that my details had not yet been logged into the leisure centre's records. According to the outside world, i don't work at the centre, and yet BT knew i worked there. I rang back a few hours later to ask how on earth they'd got that number and linked it to me, the guy on the other end said he didn't have a clue. It seems everyone is spying these days :(

i think this porn is f*cking disgusting and the mere fact that some people find it so easy to dicuss the **** of children so openly and with such a blas'e attitude is frankly frightening, i have like many others encountered the problem of accidental downloading and have tried switching applications but cant find a program as easy to use as limewire, my solution was to use the filter in the options section of limewire and filter the keywords associated with this type of file and find it to be affective, now i just use youporn or spankwire for my adult videos and leave limewire for music..

If I get it I shred it with three passes with Stomp Soft file shredder.

I finally figured out that if its says pthc or something like that it may be something bad. I assume that stands for pathetic. Anyway put that in your filter also.

Urban Dictionary: pthc

Google is your friend. Try it. :)

My first post here .. but i find most of the videos that are related to porn cant be trusted on its face..

Either the titles are wrong.. like search "25yr old porn" then you open the video and its a 13yr old ?? maybe .. i didnt ask for ID .. So there is NO WAY to avoid it.. Unless you just never search for porn .. but thats not likely search top websites ranks for porntube on alexa and you will find their ranking is almost as good as Google or MSN or Yahoo .. last i looked it was like 40th rank out of the millions of websites out there. so if anyone dont think porn is big there wrong.. its just the age and asking for ID thats the problem ..

And the other way around.
 

And someone earlier in this Thread said it works the opposite also. He said it'll say 18 or something and they "actors" will be 30 or whatever. :blink: