Seriously, this forum, you and lotr have saved me a few times, I was not doing anything right. I don't think any of you are loosers, I could only ever hope of knowing how to do all this computer stuff! I'm still at the point where if I'm not sure about something I won't touch it! My husband laughs cause I won't let any of the boys touch the computer until he gets home=) And you're right, I have 3 nieces and I love them to death but even after 3 days of visiting, I'm glad I had all boys! =) And again, I meant no harm or insult to anyone or this forum, how big the internet is, this was the first place where someone even contacted me back, and I've been trying to do this for weeks now! I'd appreciate knowing I could ask and maybe you can answer if possible in the near future w/ more questions that I'm sure I will have, and I hope you take a look at my shared files sometime, in my opinion I've got some great ones, a little of this and that, I love the variety! Again, thanks a lot, Newbee