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verdyp October 27th, 2005 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Panic_Fire
all you have been arguing about is verry interesting, but doesn't it just come to this: frostwire does not care about the GLU license as long as LimeWire doesn't seu them or anything or even gives them a warning, and don't you think if YOU guys know about frostwire being a clone, then the limewire devolopers know aswell?
So you think it is legal to abuse a licence as long as you are not told personnaly that your use is not tolerated by this licence that you have received and deliberately ignored?
Hmmm... Then take the same decision about all other protected contents, and copy and publish it as you want, and assume the risk yourself.
A licence does not require to inform you that you are abusing it. The licence already contains provisions that you have already approved. By not following its terms, you are breaking a contract, so you can be legally the object of a judiciary procedure, without being told first that you break the law. In fact youalready knw that you are breaking the law when you break a contract unilaterally.
note: the LimeWire licence is not "GLU" (???) but the GPL, i.e. the General Purpose Licence published by the GNU Foundation.

jmbeam October 27th, 2005 07:21 AM

Attn: verdyp
 
Could you do me the favor and provide me some answers regarding this service. I have posted a couple of times and don't want to circumvent the process.

Only A Hobo October 27th, 2005 09:31 AM

jmbeam: Your post about file types was posted at the end of a long unused thread although I think the thread did, to an extent answer your questions. I have no idea personally what file types are Mac Games so I can't help you on that.

I understand you have purchased Limewire from a scam site understanding it to be a Legal means of downloading games.

I should make it clear that Limewire is a perfectly legal p2p (peer to peer) application which connects users together on the Gnutella network to exchange files. It is a known fact that not all the files exchaged are exchanged legally and that they are subject to copyright restrictions. I do feel you have bought and are trying to use Limewire under a misconception and I hope this clears that up.

Many of the programme files are totally useless, that are available on The Gnutella neteork (for which Limewire is one of the primary applications.

There is a feature called bitzi lookup where by you can control-click on a file in the search window, select Bitzi and be taken to a web site where you will be told if a file is good or bad, or you will be told there is no imformation on it. This will help find good files, but Limewire is really not a recomended source for programme files, although many people have had success finding good programmes here.
You can post questions on the forum freely, but asking about specific copyrighted files is not allowed. You may also select pm and send a personal message to another member, but I and many others, would rather that questions that could better be asked on the open forums are asked there.

I hope this helps a bit.

jmbeam October 27th, 2005 10:18 AM

Hobo,

Thanks for the reply, any information is helpful! How is this leag whereas they closed Napster? When I purchased a subscription form Gamesdownload.com I didnt realize that they were scammers. MOst people looking at this site would think the same. Us neophites that is. So I can assume I will not be able to find games to downlaod and play? Also how is it leagl then to download songs into an Ipod? IS it because no one is actually paying for a service?

Only A Hobo October 27th, 2005 11:35 AM

As I understand it Napster operated as a cental server and thus was ultimately responsible for all the files transferred using it. As some of those files were copyrighted .... ok most of them. Napster was in trouble. Lime wire does not operate like this.

The following is fom the Limewire website:

"LimeWire BASIC is a P2P program for use only in the exchange of authorized files.

Downloading LimeWire BASIC does not constitute a license for obtaining or distributing unauthorized material.

Please do not download LimeWire BASIC if you intend to use it to infringe copyright."

Now there may be those who chose to flout Limewires conditions, and some agencies will say they are acting illegally, which may be so. Limewire is not breaking any laws, any more than BMW are when they sell you a car capable of 150 mph when your national speed limit is 70 mph. If you exceed the speed limit, it is you who have acted illegally, not BMW.

I'm not sure I mentioned the legality of downloading a song onto an iPod:):)

You may well find playable games being shared on Limewire .. but I know for a fact you will find a lot of unplayable ones.

Lord of the Rings October 27th, 2005 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Only A Hobo
Limewire is not breaking any laws, any more than BMW are when they sell you a car capable of 150 mph when your national speed limit is 70 mph. If you exceed the speed limit, it is you who have acted illegally, not BMW.
That's the best comparison I've seen for a while. Good one! :D :)

Panic_Fire October 27th, 2005 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by verdyp
So you think it is legal to abuse a licence as long as you are not told personnaly that your use is not tolerated by this licence that you have received and deliberately ignored?
Hmmm... Then take the same decision about all other protected contents, and copy and publish it as you want, and assume the risk yourself.
A licence does not require to inform you that you are abusing it. The licence already contains provisions that you have already approved. By not following its terms, you are breaking a contract, so you can be legally the object of a judiciary procedure, without being told first that you break the law. In fact youalready knw that you are breaking the law when you break a contract unilaterally.
note: the LimeWire licence is not "GLU" (???) but the GPL, i.e. the General Purpose Licence published by the GNU Foundation.

hmm i'm not saying that AT ALL, i just said that you are having a verry interesting discussion but why keep it at all, leave it to the ppl that are directly involved IE. the limewire team and frostwire team. you DON'T know information they have exchanged between them. i just mean to say: don't bitch down on frostwire nothing more nothing less. don't bitch down on anything in another forum at all actually, i mean if you have problems with something frostwire team did, say it on that forum, so they know.

but for the rest of the discussion it's verry interesting seeing the different opinions

Only A Hobo October 27th, 2005 03:36 PM

I have been curious as to verdyp's relationship to Limewire, and I have to make a guess that he is the coordinator of the various language versions of Limewire, so he has an inside view. .... I think, but while it is evident as Panic Fire says that the Limewire and Frostwire teams have been in discussion ... I think ... again:)
verdyp has apparently not been in on the discussions. So verdyp, I would certainly be interested to know what your position is within Limewire, so please let us know, so I can stop guessing:)

jmbeam October 27th, 2005 03:41 PM

Games????
 
Can anyone tell me if they have actually downloaded any games on Limewire? This was the original purpose . Everything I have downloaded so far has been complete crap. I have tried downloading other items just to see and these did not work either. AM I having all these problems because I run OSX? Thanks

verdyp October 28th, 2005 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Only A Hobo
I have been curious as to verdyp's relationship to Limewire, and I have to make a guess that he is the coordinator of the various language versions of Limewire, so he has an inside view. .... I think, but while it is evident as Panic Fire says that the Limewire and Frostwire teams have been in discussion ... I think ... again:)
verdyp has apparently not been in on the discussions. So verdyp, I would certainly be interested to know what your position is within Limewire, so please let us know, so I can stop guessing:)

I have no official position in LimeWire. I don't live in New York to work everyday in coordination with the LimeWire team, and I have not contracted any thing with Limewire that requires me to support the project, or to work on it in due time.

I'm a supporter yes, and I have, as a contributor, supported the translation project. I can't do all what the LimeWire team can do, and I don't know all the business strategy and or the details of what LimeWire has in its projects.

LimeWire does not even know precisely how to contact me. I'm just there often enough and since long enough to contribute usefully for helping the translation project that I initiated (and in the past to help as well on its development) and that LimeWire accepted to integrate as an additional service for its international users.

But I don't even own any copyright or ownership on that project, which remains under full control and supervision by the official and contractual LimeWire working crew.

If anything goes in a way that I don't like, I am free to leave that project at any time, without asking for permission to LimeWire, and even without having to notice them (although I would state my new position to them, for politeness, so that they can organize themselves about what to do once I'm no longer there).

If I die tonight, nobody in my neighborhood will even send a notice to them.

In clear terms: I am not affiliated with Limewire.

The only contract I have with LimeWire is the GPL licence regarding the use of the source code on limewire.org (the same contrat that also links every LimeWire open-sourcer), and the software usage licence (the same licence as you) and the positions regarding the use of my personal account and password on their server, both of which can be removed by Limewire at any time without prior conditions. All what I can do can be traced by LimeWire in their history, and can be rolled back.


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