I'm from the north east of england A good to town, alota charvas though

I thought you might be but the G'day and the Yehaaaaaa had me wondering

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Personally I use VBR for encoding. So if it's set to 160 kbps for example (using iTunes), it may well end up being a 241 kbps as happened to me some hours ago. (or could be less than 160) Besides, digital players handle VBR much better than CBR (Constant Bit Rate) & that applies to both audio & video. Not to mention the actual encoding improvements by spending equal bit rates upon simplistic music bits compared to complex bits as happens with CBR (ie: VBR spends more bit rates upon complex audio parts than those that are more easily compressed.) I personally don't encode at below 192 unless it's a song I'm not over-enthusiastic about or "some" heavy metal or the original sound quality doesn't deserve/require high bit rates. My favourites always get 320 kbps VBR or 256 VBR.

Anything below 30 kbps is only intended for talk recordings such as perhaps comedy. I guess similar to those cheap talk cassette tapes one could buy once upon a time. Music sounded disastrous on them. But digitally, just talk is fine (I suppose.)

Oh well just my thoughts & opinion for what it's worth.

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yeah, your right about vbr and cbr, but it's just that 192 is the current standard, to go bye, it says so in WMP even if it's vbr encoded if the overal file is 192, or atleast i tought so

What do you mean it says so in wmp? Do you mean that's the default setting? Default settings don't necessarily mean much. Different music will compress at different qualities at the same bit-rate (if using CBR.) So all music parts will be compressed at 192 when some could have been done at 128 & other parts at over 200 because they needed that xtra bit rate info to preserve the quality. That's what VBR allows. CBR doesn't. But all the same, 192 CBR is quite ok. Anything below 160 I'd be dubious about. Sometimes the lower bit rates are fine, sometimes quite poor. It can depend on encoder software used also. And for some, the parameters/settings.

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The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. -- Albert Einstein
When facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. -- Albert Einstein
Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich. -- Napoleon Bonaparte
The important thing is not to stop questioning. -- Albert Einstein
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. -- Albert Einstein
"A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians." -- Frank Zappa
"Tobacco is my favorite vegetable." / "May your sh*t come to life and kiss you on the face." / "Scientology, how about that? You hold on to the tin cans and then this guy asks you a bunch of questions, and if you pay enough money you get to join the master race. How's that for a religion?" / "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." / "There are three things that smell of fish. One of them is fish. The other two are growing on you!" / "Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny." / "The creation and destruction of harmonic and 'statistical' tensions is essential to the maintenance of compositional drama. Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consonant and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only 'good guys' in it, or eating cottage cheese." / "Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over." / "The most important thing to do in your life, is to not interfere with somebody else's life." / "Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, in order to provide articles for people who can't read." -- Frank Zappa
"The music business is a cruel and shallow trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - Hunter S. Thompson
The shy can light the dull dark room with life when their eyes mirror their inner sunrise - LOTR

i mean if you play a song, you see what the bitrate is, i never see it varying during the song, even if it's VBR encoded that's what i mean.