Gnutella Forums

Gnutella Forums (https://www.gnutellaforums.com/)
-   Open Discussion topics (https://www.gnutellaforums.com/open-discussion-topics/)
-   -   Search results disappointing ... biased results with Spam (https://www.gnutellaforums.com/open-discussion-topics/50604-search-results-disappointing-biased-results-spam.html)

ChrisAvalon December 30th, 2005 05:32 AM

Why Does Limewire Suck Now?
 
Damn, I'm straight up disappointed. Limewire was the one hope for download agents and it's now going to hell.

Every download I search for now ends up with biased results for "advertisements"! It's not even the SONG. =\ What's up with these "sponsored results"?

And is it just me or is the availablity of songs/movies on LimeWire depleting?

I wish they'd spend more time making their systems run with integrity giving GOOD results instead of biased results, like Google does.

Sigh.

Sphinx December 30th, 2005 06:16 AM

Sorry to disappoint but, Limewire IS NOT the P2P network, Gnutella is the open P2P network & LW, cant control what users share. and, have you checked your computer system for any viruses you may have picked up lately? Also, Ive never had any problems and have download MP3s and movies just fine, use the filters to filterout the junk files and stay away from the smaller files that get generated on the network by dummy hosts that are usually viruses/trojans/worms.

me d December 30th, 2005 11:02 AM

gov't on our a**
 
i know with all the info in this forum, i'm sharing a lot less than i started with. although i still have too many, around 3,000 songs. if people didn't have to worry about who's "spying" they might have more out there.

not even factoring in the freeloaders!!!

is it possible to have a "wish" list?? i know i've been trying to find michael mcdonald christmas anything, for about 4 wks. finally found 6 songs. maybe by next christmas i'll have a whole album.

Lord of the Rings December 30th, 2005 11:20 AM

ChrisAvalon try to ignore files less than 1 MB (1,000 KB) in size then you'll get what you want. Use the spam filter to filter out the spam. There's discussions as to its use in the LW Beta section of the forum.

As far as the shape of the network goes, I'd say that since the Grokster court case, mysteriously a high no. of mp3 spam suddenly started to autospam the network. 1. autogenerated spam results, & also 2. autogenerated mp3 spam results & over the past 9 months, a lot of virii has also started showing up; WARNING: Viruses on network you should be aware of! (click on link) & also porn results Direct instructions to eliminate porn from results. But, the network has grown in size & poplulation. The no. of files shared has increased as people have swapped from other networks & new p2p users buoyed by the popularity. The issue is, search results are being fogged by spam. Learn to deal with it & you'll get more than you might have at the start of the year. And I say that whilst humouring within 42 degree celsius (107 F) on the last day of the year. lol :D

Some search tips: 1. Cant search well help

2. See the following link & follow “ALL” the off-shoot links to find hints & extra skills to help solve your problem: To continue files downlding (click on link)

me d December 30th, 2005 12:45 PM

wish list
 
. . hobo

if we had a wish list i could get all the music out of my library, and only have in it what someone wanted to download.

if i gave you a list of all my albums, i'm sure you wouldn't want all of them. but if you looked at the whole list, instead of part of it, you might actually find one that you want.

the list would have to be standardized tho, (so you could actually find what you're lookin' for).
ie: if the columns are separated, maybe there's a reason why!! it's frustrating to sort by columns if there isn't but one column.;)

Lord of the Rings December 30th, 2005 12:57 PM

Re: wish list
 
Quote:

Originally posted by me d
ie: if the columns are separated, maybe there's a reason why!! it's frustrating to sort by columns if there isn't but one column.;)
If your shared albums are properly detailed with id3 tags then people who search/browse you can separate the files into albums anyway using the LW audio>album filter. * Good tagging tools: http://massid3lib.sourceforge.net/ Personally I use Media Rage to id3 tag/correct my files, & I use iTunes to organise my files for uploads. iTunes shared library & this Albumwrap/iTunes

me d December 30th, 2005 04:58 PM

all greek (geek) to me!
 
remember, i'm from the dark ages!!

all my music is filed generally by genre, artist & album.

i don't know what "properly detailing with id3 tags" refers to.

audio>album filter???

i don't use an mp3 player, nor i-tunes. i still like cd's cause i have a killer stereo in the car (good vibrations), a 5.1 on comp & a 7.1 on the dvd. i play any or all at one person level. (when no one's home):D :D :D

jay173 December 30th, 2005 06:28 PM

it doesnt suck you suck, joking

Eman1992 December 30th, 2005 06:40 PM

Re: Why Does Limewire Suck Now?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisAvalon
Damn, I'm straight up disappointed. Limewire was the one hope for download agents and it's now going to hell.

Every download I search for now ends up with biased results for "advertisements"! It's not even the SONG. =\ What's up with these "sponsored results"?

And is it just me or is the availablity of songs/movies on LimeWire depleting?

I wish they'd spend more time making their systems run with integrity giving GOOD results instead of biased results, like Google does.

Sigh.

Im Sorry But I Don't Know What the hell your talking about everytime i search and download a song its the song ( ur not high are u ? LMAO:D :cool: :rolleyes: :) ;) :p ) ANYWAYZ I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOUR doing something wrong.....becuase all my searches are fine.. peace out:D ;) :) :p ( oh and i forgot to tell you that my searches are faster than ever....

ChrisAvalon December 30th, 2005 06:47 PM

Sorry to disappoint the disappointer but I'm not disappointed by your disappointment!

And yeah, it's just recently for me that I've not been able to find anything. The songs/movies end up with this "sponsored result" crap - maybe I'm more of an isolated case.

I don't pay for it, so maybe that's it. But what kind of crap is that to make the Free Version suck so bad that you're FRUSTRATED into upgrading to something that has a chance of not being crap?

I think that's ugly business. But that's probably not the case. Maybe I'm doing something wrong - considering I've been d/l'ing for years I have NO idea what.

PS. No I'm not high. :P

Grandpa December 30th, 2005 07:26 PM

AS Sphinx told you LimeWire has nothing to do with the Gnutella net it is just a app to get you there. What amazes me is you comment about Google.
Quote:

I wish they'd spend more time making their systems run with integrity giving GOOD results instead of biased results, like Google does.
Below is the the results of a google search for LimeWire the first sites you click on are scam sites. As a matter of a fact all of the sponsored links are scam sites.
Now where is the integrity in that.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

ChrisAvalon December 30th, 2005 09:18 PM

I'm sure you know a lot more about Google's search engine algorithm... so you could probably make a better more integrous system... you're tottaly Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Why don't you go apply for Google and give them your ideassss.

Listen - the point is Google does make an attempt to provide completely UNBIASED results with their searches - even their sponsored PAID FOR results are secluded in sections where you know where they are - they're not overwhelmingly taking up the entire search - and additionally, they have a screening process for their paid results. They refuse scam sites, inappropriate language/content, and generally have systems in place to check up on that ****.

Knock them for it if you like, I think they do a helluva better job and spend a lot more of their time developing a search engine that produces quality results.

By the way - your link? The top search result is Limewire.Com, and those "scam sites" are not scams. But okay. I guess anyone with attmpts to make a buck are scams these days...

People. :P

bugmenot December 30th, 2005 10:00 PM

Limewire suxass
 
i downloaded limewire yesterday, was looking for a couple programs. today i scan my machine and find 40 infected files... in a "complete" folder... that i did not even create. all stuff that i did not even download! this has got to be one of the shadiest networks i have ever used. thoroughly disappointed, not to mention the 1 program i did download was a totally different program AND infected as well... how do people get away with this kind of stuff???

ChrisAvalon December 30th, 2005 10:09 PM

There's not much in place to counter it, that's for sure. But what can they do? It's just upsetting that such a great p2p is now getting so screwed up.

Grandpa December 30th, 2005 10:44 PM

1 Attachment(s)
ChrisAvalon

I don't know about you but I always thought that anytime you only spoke half truths and charged for something that was free it was a scam. And I bet you that 99.9% of the rest of the world does to. I think they only charge $25 for LimeWire basic which is free. And look at all the things they promise it is all unlimited wow what a deal.

Perhaps you can point out to the rest of us why this is not a scam after all it is the first site on the google search.

ChrisAvalon December 30th, 2005 10:52 PM

"You will find all of the latest tools for accessing the largest peer-to-peer networks on the planet. You will also find online tutorials making it easy for you install and learn the tools provided, a collection of tools that include video players (allow you to play the latest video files) access to an award winning support team, CD burning application and much, much more…"

"If you are experiencing technical difficulties and would require support, our support team guarantees to solve your issue on first contact or your money back! Simply contact us by email, by phone or through live web-chat function located in the member’s area."

" We have 3 teams offering support around the clock and 7 days a week."

Don't be a dick and think 99.9% of the world is on your side. It's not a scam. Damn. Everyone thinks any marketing attempt is a scam.

The software is free. You are paying for the online help and support and the online tutorials for the lifetime of the membership.

K?

That's what some people like. They're clear and state that straight on their website. It's a SERVICE. People who buy it WANT that service. There's a MONEY BACK GUARANTEE in case it's NOT what they're looking for.

That's ethical, so get off your scam-ridden horse. If you call that a scam, then I guess you call any support/information product a scam, eh?

Such as technical support for computer companies. How dare they fill a need in the marketplace.

ChrisAvalon December 30th, 2005 10:58 PM

By the way - those are sponsored results and clearly marked as such. For information about LIMEWIRE itself, the FIRST result for Google is Limewire.Com.

My original point is Google makes a pretty damn successful attempt at providing relevant, unbiased results, and I wish Limewire would do the same.

Grandpa December 31st, 2005 12:24 AM

Confidence trick
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
(Redirected from Scam)
Jump to: navigation, search
A confidence trick, confidence game, also known as a con or scam, is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the "mark") usually with the goal of financial or other gain.

The confidence trickster, con man, scam artist or con artist often works with one or more accomplices called shills, who try to encourage the mark by pretending to believe the trickster. In a traditional con, the mark is encouraged to believe that they will obtain money dishonestly by cheating a third party, and is stunned to find that due to what appears to be an error in pulling off the scam they are the one who loses money; in more general use, the term con is used for any fraud in which the victim is tricked into losing money by false promises of gain.

Most confidence tricks exploit the greed and dishonesty of their victims. Often, the mark tries to out-cheat the conmen, only to discover that they have been manipulated into this from the start. This is such a general principle in confidence tricks that there is a saying among conmen that "you can't cheat an honest man."

Sometimes conmen rely on naïve individuals who put their confidence in get-rich-quick schemes such as 'too good to be true' investments. It may take years for the wider community to discover that such 'investment' schemes are bogus, and usually it is too late as many people have lost their life savings in something they have been confident of investing in.

You mean to tell me that advertisement isn't deceptive and misleading. I am guessing you make a living ripping people off how can you justify that. And if you think people want that service maybe you should check out some of the threads in the link below it is the search results for the word scam in this forum. Perhaps you should pull you head out of you *** and realize that people do not like to be riped off by people who do not want to work for a living but would rather steal it from people that do.

And maybe while you are at it you could maybe beat it through that thick scull of yours that LimeWire Does Not Control The Gnutella Network It Is Only A App That Takes You There

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:27 AM

Ohhhhhhh God, so I'm using the wrong name. I read about two sentences of your post because you're just an ******retentive nit-picky *******. No offense :P

The point is my point - not who's running it. So, the whatever network should "get on that" or so I could only hope.

Grandpa December 31st, 2005 12:28 AM

So use a diffrent net

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:35 AM

Stop being a douchebag. I'm complaining because I notice it. I have a right to voice it. What's your point? To be a nitpicky ***?

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:37 AM

Hahaha okay so I finished reading your con man post.

Funny ****.

I won't even argue how dumb that is, but let me apply it to the situation instead - something you neglected to do.

That definition is way off to describing what's going on here. There's no promises of "FALSE GAIN" in any part of this.

No one is getting scammed.

I agree I wouldn't want the service, and they advertise the BENEFIT of what their buyers will receive and not their service. That's shady advertising, no doubt.

I'm not blind to that. But it's not a damn scam. And anyone who thinks so should read the ****ing FAQ they have on their site.

Ultimately these people get what they want - with the SERVICE of how to search for mp3's correctly - or they get their money back. Ever heard of buyer beware? Do your research before you buy, *******. I'm not going to sympathize for those who can't when it's clearly written, WITH a money back guarantee.

Grandpa December 31st, 2005 12:39 AM

Perhaps you should have read the first line

A confidence trick, confidence game, also known as a con or scam, is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the "mark") usually with the goal of financial or other gain.

Peer-to-peer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Jump to: navigation, search
P2P redirects here. For the telecommunications term PTP, see Point-to-Point.
P2P can also stand for Pay-to-play in gaming.

A peer-to-peer (or P2P) computer network is a network that relies on the computing power and bandwidth of the participants in the network rather than concentrating it in a relatively low number of servers. P2P networks are typically used for connecting nodes via largely ad hoc connections. Such networks are useful for many purposes. Sharing content files (see file sharing) containing audio, video, data or anything in digital format is very common, and realtime data, such as telephony traffic, is also passed using P2P technology.

A pure peer-to-peer network does not have the notion of clients or servers, but only equal peer nodes that simultaneously function as both "clients" and "servers" to the other nodes on the network. This model of network arrangement differs from the client-server model where communication is usually to and from a central server. A typical example for a non peer-to-peer file transfer is an FTP server where the client and server programs are quite distinct, and the clients initiate the download/uploads and the servers react to and satisfy these requests.

Some networks and channels, such as Napster, OpenNAP, or IRC @find, use a client-server structure for some tasks (e.g., searching) and a peer-to-peer structure for others. Networks such as Gnutella or Freenet use a peer-to-peer structure for all purposes, and are sometimes referred to as true peer-to-peer networks, although Gnutella is greatly facilitated by directory servers that inform peers of the network addresses of other peers.

Peer-to-peer architecture embodies one of the key technical concepts of the internet, described in the first internet Request for Comments, "RFC 1, Host Software" [1] dated 7 April 1969. More recently, the concept has achieved recognition in the general public in the context of the absence of central indexing servers in architectures used for exchanging multimedia files.

The concept of peer to peer is increasingly evolving to an expanded usage as the relational dynamic active in distributed networks, i.e. not just computer to computer, but human to human. Yochai Benkler has developed the notion of commons-based peer production to denote collaborative projects such as free software. Associated with peer production are the concept of peer governance (referring to the manner in which peer production projects are managed) and peer property (referring to the new type of licenses which recognize individual authorship but not exclusive property rights, such as the General Public License and the Creative Commons. The emergence of P2P as a relational dynamic and institutional form is monitored by the Foundation for P2P Alternatives [2]

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:44 AM

It's still run by someone who could make an effort to make it better. They're a company right? They want more satisfied users right? Okay then - so don't hide behind definitions, make some ******* innovation.

Grandpa December 31st, 2005 12:48 AM

I guess you don't understand it is not run by anybody it is simply people connecting to other people nobody has any control over what is shared.Nobody

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:51 AM

Give me a break. I'm making a point - if you won't take the time to read it, you can politely stay out.

"I just wish CHrisavalon would shut the **** up"

As you make a point about niceness. At least you're being hypocritical. That's always good. Maybe you should go to a bar, and get laid out flat, too. Yay.

BUT anyways - to your point - there are **** results for Limewire and Google - okay. My beef with it was that there were these crap "sponsored results" coming up INSTEAD of real results - my REASON for bringing GOOGLE up is that google has systems in place to get RID of the crap and Limewire doesn't. Yet. There's absolutely nothing to make results unbiased results, and there should be.

It should give the best results possible.

Fair enough? Cut all the other bs. That's not even the point.

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:53 AM

NOBODY!

Good thing no one's making any money off it then... Good damn thing... yeah yeah... k I understand now. It's a total FREEWARE place... all the money spent there goes to charity for homeless people... k.. I get it.

Grandpa December 31st, 2005 12:56 AM

What Money

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:59 AM

You're lost, my friend. :P

Anyways - I totally don't care about any of this, nor seemingly do you. So I hope you didn't take it personal. Haha. I'm finished with the issue. Unless you feel obliged to argue more. Feel free.

Grandpa December 31st, 2005 01:02 AM

Nothing like a good discussion. Have a good night or day whichever part of the world you are in.:D

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 01:04 AM

Haha, you too.

Lord of the Rings December 31st, 2005 02:39 AM

I see where your original point was coming from about google versus searching on gnutella, be it your opinion was right or wrong, accurate or inaccurate. But when the discussion shifted toward scam sites, I have to disagree totally with most of your points.

How is it the scammed end up on this forum. If the site you say provides great support, then why do they end up here? They sell what they don't own. That group has multiple sites under different names & one day they may direct you to LW Basic (after promising LW Pro), the next to BearShare (or vice-versa) or .... you're never too sure what softw you end up with. They also sell packages with movie codecs which are in fact free for those of us who know. Some of those scam sites serve their own adulterated versions that include spyware & even virii (the latter reported from scam sites from Europe.) So it's somewhat insulting having people make money out of others hard work when the original source offers it as freeware.

I find it quite insulting that you appear to be supporting the concept of scammers. That it's ok for them to exist. That if they pay google to list their sites in searches, then that makes it ok. That if they have what appears to be a support line, then that makes them a legible group. But if their support is so good ... what the heck are they doing coming here? There's been so many people scammed by that group of people ... cheated. Thought they were buying something & end up with something else ... perhaps not even the softw they were after as suggested.

We on this forum help for free. We are volunteers. We have pity on people who get scammed. But for you to come along & say it's all ok ... well ... sounds like perhaps you are one of the owners or work for one of these scam sites in question. Saying those scam sites are not a scam & that's it's simply shady advertising. You obviously haven't seen all the reports of people who've been scammed. And no, it's not so easy to get your money back from those scam sites. How can they offer "Lifetime membership" when eventually the FBI will close them down. how long do most software companies last. How long do most scam sites last. They are out for quick money ... get it whilst they can & then run when they come under investigation. Their owners register under aliases & sometimes non-existing addresses. Such sites could not exist in my country because we have quite a few laws which would prohibit such sites & false advertising. And even if such sites set up (refering to different type of sites but scammers all the same), they get taken down by the authorities very quickly. Then the results are in the hands of the authorities to jail & fine the offenders. There's also room for the scammed to sue the offenders. Unfortunately in the USA, the internet laws offer a little more freedom. But there are law dept's that can deal with them if they are made aware of them.

There's nothing like a healthy argument/discussion. But yours resorted to insulting forum members & using obscene words on a public forum where people of "all" ages visit. Forum Rules (click here)

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 04:17 AM

Oh man, haha.

Alright, I apoligize for the rules and the kiddies who must constantly be reading Limewire forums. KIDS, DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME.

And I'm not supporting scammers. I'm simply NOT sympathizing with those too dumb to not take advantage of either a moneyback guarantee - or someone who doesn't take the time to care about how they spend their money. READ UP FIRST.

There will ALWAYS be people who do that. And frankly, I don't care. As long as these people FOLLOW THE LAW - I'm fine. Your moral grounds have no place for me, because I'm not arguing whether it's morally right or wrong. I'm saying it's legal - so get the hell over it.

Morb December 31st, 2005 05:34 AM

Out of curiosity I clicked to download a "sponsored result" to see what they are all about last night. Nothing downloads, it's just a link. Is this a bug in Limewire or is that intentional? I never would have known that downloading a file in Limewire would directly open a browser window to an advertisement. Though I just put the word, sponsored, in the list of keywords to filter out and that seems to work.

On a side note, those that say it's the Gnutella network and Limewire has nothing to do with it, blah.... Limewire can control what is shown on the search results window regardless of what's on the network. And giving control to the users is what people seem to be asking for in general. Some people just don't understand this I guess.

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 05:40 AM

Thanks Morb. I'll try that.

And exxxxxxxxactly for that last point.

me d December 31st, 2005 09:36 AM

basic limewire
 
all the time i hear people whining about "basic" or "the free" limewire.
i've not Ever had any major probs with "basic", other than my own computer. maybe if people would stop blaming everyone else for their probs, they could actually find out what's wrong.
sure there are minor problems but, where in life are there not problems, when you consider what you're getting!!!

i have found that if you have a problem, it is better received when followed by a solution.

all you whiners that want to do nothing to help: need to go to google & find the first site for limewire that will refund your money if you're not satisfied, & will support you doing so!!

how's that for a solution?;) ;) ;)

Grandpa December 31st, 2005 10:17 AM

Originally you comment was about the integrity of google not the Legality of the web site.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Jump to: navigation, search
Integrity comprises the personal inner sense of "wholeness" deriving from honesty and consistent uprightness of character.
Popular views of Integrity
Many people appear to use the word "integrity" in a vague manner as an alternative to the perceived political incorrectness of using blatantly moralistic terms such as "good" or ethical. In this sense the term often refers to a refusal to engage in lying, blaming or other behaviour generally seeming to evade accountability. Integrity is holding true to one's values. Said another way: being one's word; doing what you said you would do by when you said you would do it. Integrity is knowing what is important to you and living your actions accordingly. It may take the form of a sense of etiquette that runs very deep, as in Christianity or the political virtues.


I myself do not see where Google is using any integrity in taking money from a web site so that it can be the first site people see when doing a search. Google knows as does the owners of the questionable web sites, that people are gullible and generally trust what is written. Thus the reason for paying to have your website seen first. Google does not care what the results or outcome of this is they gust want the $$$. They do not care how many people get ripped off or anything else they only care about the $$$.
Buy the definition of integrity google has none so you need to look for a different word when describing Google. Or any search engine for that matter. Immoral would be a better choice.
They are in business to make money and that is what they do. They do not care who gets hurt or riped off or the integrity of the web sites they host.
As far as LimeWire filtering out unwanted search results from the Gnutella net the word for that is sensor. I for one do not want LimeWire to sensor anything. It is my right to see all that is available. If I want to sensor the results I can by using the filters built into LimeWire.
So you original post was totally backward LimeWire does have integrity Google does not. LimeWire has a free product for anybody to use that wishes. It has a pro version which allows more connections thus depending on your connection can provide better results. It does not sensor content but allows you to if you choose to.
Any way whether you choose to admit it or not your original statement was wrong.

me d December 31st, 2005 10:17 AM

agreed!!
 
..hobo some people just can't live without chaos.
(for anyone that doesn't know what that means call ChrisAvalon or mebbe virtualtuneage?)lol

p.s. then what am i doing with a computer????lol

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 11:32 AM

OH MAN - Do you have to be right and does someone have to be wrong?

First of all - Google is run with integrity, and I will never back off that point - the more you "theorize" it's not the more wrong you are, and again and again I'll come back with a rebuttal.

You say you don't want filtered results, yet you call Google IMMORAL for giving you that. Smart. And Google does NOT just allow scam sites. In fact - they close down many MANY websites, and have a huge blacklist for that. They do what they can, and that's the truth. Especially for their paid advertisements.

They do what they can. And I can't HELP but think you're one of those people that whine about anyone who makes money off an idea. Holy **** - I mean you're freaking arguing that all SEARCH ENGINE COMPANIES ARE IMMORAL just for indexing and cataloguing information.

Even when they attempt to do so fairly and justly. The fact that a profitable marketplace has grown with sponsored results and PPC's is by NO MEANS an immoral action! That's so pathetic. That's like saying Classified Ads in newspapers are immoral - as are commercials on TV.

It has become a NEW MEDIUM and they have EVERY right to profit. Which, by the way, is a win-win-win situation for advertisiers, Google, and its users.

Google does its best to uphold integrity - and DOES have a system in place to get rid of those scam sites. They're constantly upgrading their search engine algorithm so others can't immorally cheat the system to get better results.

As for Limewire/whatever - the only reason I want it to filter out the useless Ad crap is because it takes up the ENTIRE search when I do it. I get no REAL results because it's substituted by these sponsored ones.

Does someone get paid for that crap? Because it's ridiculous. I'm saying their service is rendered useless when this happens - that's my point. So they should do something about it. If all the results showed up, I wouldn't have a problem, but, they don't.

It's not just "UNFILTERED" it's completely freakin' biased.

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 11:34 AM

me d - learn to type, your posts are giving me a headache. I have an argument and just cause you can't keep up or have no interest, doesn't mean you can make pointless and lame remarks reguarding me or anyone else.

Your "solution" was a joke that wasn't funny. But nice try, I applaud the effort.

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 11:35 AM

Haha - hobo, true. But that's not the case here. I'm not looking to CREATE problems. I just have one, and from what people have said, it hasn't made it go away.

Grandpa December 31st, 2005 12:12 PM

Well you are going to have to change the definition of integrity for that one to fly.

And I never said I wanted Google to sensor any results.

And yes I do have a problem with anybody that uses deceit to make money off of people that are making an honest living. If the only way a person can make a living is by lying, cheating, deceiving, or any other dishonest means quite frankly suck.

You can defend the practice all you want but it still is not going to change the fact that it is not right.

And there have been thieves thought history but that doesn't make it right. And if a person does not care about how they get other peoples hard earned money or who they hurt in the process then it is wrong.

And yes on this issue and any other issue of integrity or morality somebody has to be right and somebody has to be wrong.

If all the people in the world believed as you do this world would be a very sad place. Can you imagine how life would be if we all lived by that type of moral standards. What a great place to live it would be than God it is not.

And yes people do get paid for advertising and spamming and one way to spread it is through P2P networks but that goes back to integrity and morality. So your own argument is biting you on the ***. As you said they have the right to have a idea and make money from it.

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:15 PM

Your argument just turned to 100% opinion, 0% fact. You didn't respond to my point - which is Google is NOT immoral, and just because there is a marketplace and they're making money WHILE PROVIDING A WIN-WIN SERVICE - (they're not the ones to determine what's legal and illegal, though they still do their best to protect their uses) - that they're suddenly illegal.

God forbid someone actually provides a service to make an honest living, right? Because anyone without YOUR job or a job like it is suddenly immoral - in your subjective, twisted, righteous opinion.

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:16 PM

Not illegal - immoral* (reguarding Google practices, you say)

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:18 PM

By the way yeah - Google doesn't censor results (which you know) but they DO catalogue all the information and using special search engine algorithms put forth the most valuable and relevant information to any related search topic. They do what they can.

I just don't see where you could call them immoral in any sense. Unless you want to call all marketplaces immoral.

Grandpa December 31st, 2005 12:49 PM

Yes I say Immoral or lack of morality/integrity since they are supporting these sites that use deceptive advertising for profit. And they are supporting them by accepting $$$ from them to place them in the first results of searches.

100% opinion 0% fact I guess the definition of integrity is wrong. you can argue with accepted definitions all you want but it isn't going to change the definition.

The company that I work for has based it business on honesty and morality. And by the way it is the 2nd largest in the nation and growing all the time. Because of it's stand on the issues of honesty and morality. Caring about it's employs and there family's and we do 100s of millions of dollars of business every year based on those concepts.

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 12:52 PM

Right well enough about you, more about Google. It's moral - but you say it's not because it supports that kind of advertising - who cares where they put it. It's in the "SPONSORED RESULT" box, which is clearly paid advertising.

The fact is - those people aren't BREAKING ANY LAWS - and that's what Google has to worry about. Granted, many times they fish out those kinds of sites and ban them - but it's not GOOGLES place as an information medium and marketplace to judge the law like that. Let the law decide.

So why blame GOOGLE for that?

Grandpa December 31st, 2005 01:05 PM

I am not blaming Google for anything. I was just questioning you use of the word integrity when describing Google and its practice.

There is no integrity in placing the sponsored ad's as the first results. You say every body knows they are scam sites but that statement just isn't true.

Allot of people click on the first site they come to when doing a search. They do not know they are being scammed and think since it is the first site it is the most trusted site. That statement has been made over and over in this forum by people who have been taken by these sites. The facts are in the threads I sugested you read before there are 22 pages of them. More than most any other subject in this forum.

Now you can not tell me that you think that Google or the sites that pay Google do not know this. Thus the integrity/morality issue.

ChrisAvalon December 31st, 2005 01:16 PM

I think they created a fine medium, and these poor poor scammed people I don't have sympathy for. It's just like any other advertising medium - buyers beware. Like I said, the law is sound - it's not Google's fault, nor are they immoral for upholding that. Just like commercials aren't, just like classified ads aren't.

People still need the pay attention online to what they buy. If "SPONSORED RESULT" suddenly gives their company instant credibility then I guess "LESSON LEARNED" for these folk.

Good job, Google, teaching the world to be a less naive place. I still think Google is providing a solid medium for advertising that's in no way immoral, but I also understand your point.

Those borderline scam sites having first result (not really.. more like SPONSORED PAID ADVERTISING RESULT) would make it seem kind of non integrous. But then, I thought you didn't BLAME Google for that.

I think in fact, you do blame Google for that and call them nonintegrous on those grounds. I disagree, because it's just the Law's issue, Google is the medium provider. They're not doing anything wrong, and uphold sound principles.

I'm not going to feel sorry for these poor "scammed" folks when they're the ones making the decision, not Google. You can't BLAME Google for having this advertising medium - pick on the Law to find that ****.

me d December 31st, 2005 01:31 PM

throw stones if it makes you feel better
 
chris... maybe if you read first THEN insert your foot, you might figure out that everyone is trying to explain something to you. you sound just like a teen, everything or nothing. try to make someone else look bad to deflect it from yourself. you might start by using words like "most" or "some".

as far as my typing, I'M not TRYING to impress anyone.

p.s. i resubmit my "solution" to you chris.... ;)
p.s.s. opinions are like assholes, everyone has one!


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:08 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.

Copyright © 2020 Gnutella Forums.
All Rights Reserved.