You must differ here. Mike disabled ultrapeer mode himself, so that Shareaza doesn't become a Gnutella UP by default. So he clearly thinks that at least UP mode is outdated. And that's what I mainly was referring to. Operation in leaf mode isn't bad, but to be honest other people probably are better in judging this than me. If you have concrete comments about Gnutella's leaf mode support, then you're more than welcome to post them. (Or about UP support, but this one is known to be outdated.)

Sorry for not being able to point you to a thread concerning Gnutella. The truth is that not all development is going on on the forum, or even in this section of the forum. We also have a development channel on IRC and a help channel, where other discussions happen, which often may be for development, too. I heard about developers investigating into Shareaza's Gnutella support. I didn't mean to promise anything, nor to say that it's going to be fixed in 2.2. But I sure hope so.

The speed of a single upload is the wrong thing for judging. It's the total upload to a network that must be considered, which is not possible when only having Shareaza as source for one file. Maybe one client is giving 10 x 2KB, which is not necessarily a bad thing. With strong PFS, this is even good for distributing a file. Different clients have different default queue settings.

Ares' success is due to other things. Shareaza choosed to rather keep its hands clean.

Actually, I wouldn't bother at all if Shareaza would get away from Gnutella. But it's not very thinkable to remove a network from an application, especially because Shareaza originally was a Gnutella-only client. Or it could be disabled by default, or the max number of networks could be restricted. Whatever, this is subject to opinions, which may differ vastly.

Yeah UP has been disabled since what, 1.9 betas in june 2003? I'm talking about leaf support, we read the same thread mec :D I think I read that Camper might work on gnutella, but that won't make shareaza upload faster, doesn't it? (hint: make a friggin' UL: DL ratio for gnutella or drop gnet support)

LOL that was a politician talk, blablabla here in Québec, we would say that "tu patines, tu patines" (you are skating). All those things are obvious. I'm talking about upload speed divided between networks thus lowering average speed given to a specific network. Not hard to undersand, but hard to defend, hé?

héhéhé, now you are talking about warez, the app. Bullshit. Shareaza divided the gnutella community with his so called G2 then introduced multinet support. Since then BT, and ED2K servers have banned you many times for bad support. And you are talking about warez that does not matter to somebody not using it? Clean? hahahaha.

Yeah this would lead to many useless discussions. Easy answer: drop it. Or make Shareaza gnutella edition with only Gnet support. There would also be Shareaza G2 edition, ED2K edition, etc... Or you could choose THE network you want to connect to at startup.

Stop skating please,

Ciao et meilleure chance la prochaine fois et sans rancune! :cool:

Edit: Ares was a gnutella app at first... they didn't keep that support when moving to their own network. Why would it be unthinkable for shareaza?

Ben, apparement nos opinions sont très différentes et ça vaut pas la peine de discuter tout ça en détail. :) J'ai pas l'impression de patiner, moi.

It's not unthinkable in my eyes to drop Gnutella. I (and many others) don't use it anyway. But I'm not the majority.

Yes, upload speed gets divided by the networks Shareaza connects to. But there are other advantages in multi-network clients that compensate this: Shareaza acts as a bridge between networks, thus it makes content available to Gnutella users that you wouldn't have without Shareaza.

Whatever. I think Shareaza is a good app and other think it's not. It's like this with everything in this world.

I find there is 3 good things about shareaza:
1)interface
2)community
3)content shared

But using another client, I do not think this compensate for being multinet ;)

+1.
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The problem is with multinetworks apps. When you are using your own things in your community without disturbing others, you can do what you want as long as others agree. However when you disturb other communities, it is difficult to only say it is a matter of opinion of yourself.
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I don't think there are many Gnutella clients that you can actually ban that way. Ever since Shareaza has been open-source (and actually already before) it has been a piece of cake to circumvent that block. (If you don't want Gnutella clients to download from you, - don't use the Gnutella download mesh).

The reason Shareaza sources frequently fail is that they are simply overloaded. You are devoting a considerable amount of your bandwidth to creating and accepting TCP connections ( an amount of bandwidth that probably does not show in your bw statistics ) and sending busy signals, - not to mention that you hubs are flooded with UDP packets. As far as I can tell Shareaza's lack of responsiveness is mainly a design issue.

I don't agree with the last part. If you are uploading multiple large files, each with 2KB/s and there are few sources per file, chances are that many of your uploads will never complete and you effectively waste a lot of bandwidth (the average user doesn't wait for a file forever). If you upload one and the same file with 2KB/s to multiple hosts at the same time, it is actually a good thing because the hosts you upload to can also download from each other.

I regularly pray that the Shareaza people decide to remove Gnutella support once and for all but considering that Gnutella is considerably larger than G2 (with around 800,000 hosts at any time) and many Shareaza users seem to think it was good to connect to as many networks as possible, it will never ever happen.

funny , shareazaa goes to ed2k network , and leave gnutella .

eDonkey come to gnutella :

if iam right :-)

This is an unofficial plugin gnome2. They use giFT gnutella to access it. As long it is unofficial (ie not integrated into the official metamachine client) I don't really care. In case you didn't know, iMesh 5 beta is connecting to gnutella using gnuCDNA like Morpheus :o

i know , but for p2p and for gnutella i guess it is not bad ( especcially for the users ) . probaly more sources come availble .

I don't think so. It is not possible for them to share incomplete files from ed2k on Gnutella, so we will not see that much of their content. Plus, any download from a host connected to both Gnutella and ed2k will very likely be sluggish.