RIAA going postal, affecting LW?

[Killer-Duck]

So,

I just heard RIAA made a new law or something that made the manufactures responsible for the actions of the ones that uses their program and it had lead to popular p2p-sites have closed down. Is LimeWire going to be affected by this?

[Only A Hobo]

Are you referring to the Grockster case or are you referring to something rather newer?

[MK_ULTRA]

yeah, old news

[Killer-Duck]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09...tworks_darken/

Official Winmx-site is still down...

[Sphinx]

Dont believe everything you hear. As long as Limewire sticks to using the Gnutella network, they can't be sued or else, they would already have been.

[et voilà]

LW can be sued. They will try to avoid that by not allowing shaing of unlicensed files (99,99% of files, even 90% of legal files don't have a lisence). That means that the next version of LW will kill LW itself because nothing will be available (you can look into the new code at limewire.org). Really sad. Whenever LW realeases a new update, DON'T UPGRADE! Or switch to another P2P client.

There will be LW forks... But LW is dead. Dead.

BS is dead and now LW, Gnutella will suffer a lot in the next year

.....

[Sphinx]

Serious? I thought as longas an app used gnutella they could only sue the users?

There will be LW forks... But LW is dead. Dead.

Nooooo. not yet.

[Lord of the Rings]

Originally posted by et voilà
LW can be sued. They will try to avoid that by not allowing shaing of unlicensed files (99,99% of files, even 90% of legal files don't have a lisence).

Wow! So what constitutes a licensed file? 99% of what I downld are concert files that are unavailable on commercial cd's. I already have (previously bought) all of the main bands albums I'm after, including dvd's. So how are concert songs recorded unofficially considered in regards to licensing? That's a bit of a grey area for me at the moment. Since the music companies don't possess those particular recordings, what is their status?

[ultracross]

thats just a warning. the socall new "feature" is going to DRM limewire. take a closer look at the code. i wasnt going to post in this thread, but eh. anyways, its just a backup plan for LW. (if im even allowed to give details?) but we also have a backup plan if LW does this .. be sure to lookout for a new up-coming LW clone.. (did i reveal too many details )

oh, one other thing.. RAZA guys are gonna love this: LW took one of your smart devs that actually have a clue how anything works. AHAHAHAH! zab said to start the trollympics, so i guess i started it. lmao

[Grandpa]

Ok ultracross call me an illiterate old fart but what does DRM stand for.

[ultracross]

DRM read from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

but LW will live, just under different names. a new project is already underway. i will reveal details once we get the website up.

[Grandpa]

Thanks ultracross I should have known that I have Wikipedia book marked in my favorites.

[Sphinx]

How long before LW goes down for the count then?

[stief]

Gnutella and the opensource LW code will survive. There are many issues to be resolved yet, and as long as you don't use or connect to untrusted ultrapeers you'll be as free to share tomorrow as you are today.

LW has no rights over my shares (nor any of the content shared through gnutella), nor does the RIAA have jurisdiction in all countries yet.

The EFF warned that the SCOTUS decision on Grokster would chill development, and now it looks like the owner of the commercial side of LimeWire has been chilled by the RIAA threats. Mark Gorton, the owner of LimeWire LLC, has persistently proven his support of open standards.

He has now proven the wisdom of making the code open source

LimeWire is the Flagship Client on the Gnutella Network

We believe that the Gnutella Network could be and should be one of the core distribution tools on the Internet. We believe in open standards, open networks, and that any global networking protocol must have an open source piece at its core if it is to remain uncorrupted. We believe that the best people to develop the Gnutella Network and its applications are its users.

We invite all users interested in developing the Gnutella Network and its applications to join the LimeWire Open Source Project. Lime Wire LLC hopes to expedite Gnutella research and development by providing the core message passing and file sharing code, so that one need not waste time re-writing it. The combined public efforts of noble individuals will keep Gnutella a virtuous, public network, for the people and by the people. The LimeWire Open Source Project hopes other developers will help to build the network that benefits all people and future generations.

So it's simple: only use installers that remain uncorrupted and benefit all people and future generations. Development will continue.

I'll be reverting to the 4.9.29 Pro, and will check with the opensource developers about which installers meet the goals of LimeWire's above statement.

Happy sharing all: development will continue, and the 1 million lines of code that LW.com has developed and released already provide a fine virtuous public network for the current 2 million users around the world.

[et voilà]

Stief, yeah dev will continue... I'm beginning to think that's worse that if LW shuts its doors... As FOSS, LW will be worked on anyways, while now the LW infected with the CC branch will destroy Gnutella as users will continue to dl it until Gnutella is to ill to be usable in any way.

Here is my foreseeable scenario:
LW implements the CC branch with no sharing of unlisenced stuff. LW 4.9.31 is released in the wild and LW is signaled through the update mechanism. One week later, already 25% of the nodes do not share anything over Gnutella. People begin to notice file availability decreases. Not so long after, files become so scarce that remaining sub 4.9.31 nodes are filled with requests and do not send results anymore to searches. UPs are sending searches to the highest TTL nearly everytime, making dynamic querying inefficient because of overloaded UPs with search traffic. This means the search horizon will go down many times too.

After 3 weeks, many people will already find other P2P because they work better. In three months LW use base will go from 2.7 mill simulateneous users (trap_kaw crawler) to less than 500 000. By then, many Gnet apps will ban LW because of the leeching. The only major Gnutella app then will be Bearshare with its dead development! (but still the best Gnet app by far anyway).

Alternatives? Well since Gnutella will be illed, Gnet alternatives are not a very good thought. Multinetwork apps neither. Edonkey and Bittorrent are the only good network alternatives right now.

hehe, I do look pessimistic! Maybe I should submit that news to Slycktom...

CVS links:
http://www.limewire.org/fisheye/view...branch/limecvs
http://www.limewire.org/fisheye/view...branch/limecvs