Blocking other servents (BS answer for everything)

Hi,
Morpheus starts to become an (important) part on Gnutella and our friend Vinnie start to think about blocking and splitting Gnutella and Bearshare, again. Vinnie's solution for everything... boooring.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/5756
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/5760

[Morgwen]

If I have to choose between bearshare and Morpheus... I would prefer Morpheus!

Let him go - bye Vinnie!

Morgwen

[cultiv8r]

It's only what Vinnie wants:

From: "Mike Green" <...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [the_gdf] Re: Timestamping Alternate-Location


> Listen up knuckleheads.
>
> Lets have none of this silliness of having different formats for the
> timestamp, or allowing varying levels of specification regarding
> whether or not you need to provide hours, minutes, seconds, or if it
> is okay to leave out the month, day, etc...
>
> The format is YYYYMMDDHHMMSS and thats all there is to it! Now lets
> get on with it and stop quibbling about a damn time stamp!!!!

Damn it Vinnie, cut the crap! What YOU want is not what EVERYONE ELSE wants!
And some like to discuss possible alternatives, so we can find the solution
that works best for Gnutella and its entire community. Now if you said "I am
using a square wheel, now let's get on with it and use the damn wheel!!!",
what if someone suggested "Hey, maybe a round wheel works a bit better?";
you'd be struggling while the others are happily rolling past you...

Get a grip, Napoleon! This is exactly the kind of attitude I meant with my
most recent posts regarding your remarks.

Look at me. Now I lowered myself to your level of professionalism too. I
need more coffee....

-- Mike

I'm that Mike, by the way... *sighs*

[Morgwen]

I like your statement!

Morgwen

[Morgwen]

The anwser to Mikes post is very funny:

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From: "freepeers" <info@f...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: Timestamping Alternate-Location





--- In the_gdf@y..., "Mike Green" <mgreen@e...> wrote:
> Damn it Vinnie, cut the crap! What YOU want is not what EVERYONE
ELSE wants!

God has spoken, and the word is "YYYYMMDDHHMMSS".

And stop chanting the "Just be different" Macintosh mantra.

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Yes dear users the next time you go in the church, don´t forget to pray to Vinnie...

the godness of Gnutella
king of bearshare.net
and the Lord of chaos!

Vinnie should be taken back to the reality!

Morgwen

[Moak]

I am Vinnie, of Borg. Resistance is futile, we will assimilate your Gnutella.

www.bearshare.net

[Morgwen]

Now has Vinnie removed 0.4 protocol support!

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/article.../03062002d.php

I ask several developers, if this is necessary... they said all "NO"!

Vinnie is trying to build up Gnutella with his rules...


You should read this thread too:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...&threadid=8558

Morgwen

[Phantom81]

I think it's sure that Bearshare prefers own client connections:

I've made a test: installed BearShare and connected to the public.bearshare.net host. 2-3 minutes later i had 10 bearshare connections.

Then, i removed all bearshare hostcache entries and connected to connect1.gnutellanet.com... and... got nearly 100% gnucleus connections

one thing is clear: BS can connect to others, but it doesn't get the IPs of "concurrent" clients by default.

That's the politics of Vinnie

[Morgwen]

Hi Phantom!

Yes this is the bearshare reality!

bearshare prefer his own nodes and wants now to use the other nodes as a safety, you should read this post:

http://www.bearshare.net/forum/showt...threadid=10411

They are all denying until Vinnie confirms that his hostcaches only supports "OWN" nodes!

Funny is that Vinnie discussed in the public, that he want to block "Xolox" because is unhealthy for the net... later "ALL" 0.4 clients - and "NOW" he is blocking all clients!?!? So "ALL" non-bearshare clients are unhealthy for the net? Which net? The "NEW" vinnie.net???

I should mention here Limewire does the same with "THEIR" router.limewire.com...

Morgwen

[Phantom81]

The only thing that is unhealthy is the hole in their money pocket that they want to shrink....

and this hole, they think, are all the other clients.. understandable.

i think there is already an only-bearshare net and an only-limewire net.

But they forget one thing: if they separate from the rest of the network, they get less users and less files, and also the silliest users will see that the real "community" is better than bs+lw


btw morg: hi long time no see