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Taliban June 14th, 2002 10:33 PM

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We can't know how big a percentage share and not.
Gnutella allows for creating very accurate statistics. I know LimeWire has Gigs of data on that topic (although not in a presentable form).

PONG messages, broadcast to the network contain number of files shared and the size of files shared.

QUERYHIT messages contain an indicator if the host has successfully completed an upload in this session.

It's actually very simple to use those messages to create those statistics you want.

mike-o June 26th, 2002 11:26 AM

Who the hell has 20 gigs worth of crap? I have 2 gigs tops and I have broadband, I just don't use that much.

10 or 20 gig minimums are ridicuolous, I wouldn't expect anyone to waste that much HD room so they could waste more.

-mike

beastmode June 27th, 2002 06:19 PM

why more than 20?
 
i also have broadband, and i share more than 30 gigs of multimedia. mp3's, mpegs, avi's, all fo this takes room, and i like having it because i am supporting the place where i got it all from, p2p. More power to p2p, and less freeloaders.

Ironman June 29th, 2002 01:15 AM

Freeloaders SUCK!!!!!!
 
Freeloaders will always be around. there is no way to get around them. Even if you were able to use a block sooner or later someone would find a way to bypass it. There is no true way of fighting them either. Most freeloaders are not going to even bother to use a forum like this except to insult people. Do you think they really care that they are freeloading, because they don't. All they think is, "Hey! I got me this file, ahuh, ahuh!" If they are too selfish to share their files they what makes anyone belive that they care what they are thought of.

As for the 20gigs thing, I am willing to bet there are several out there who have this much alone in a computer. It is not unlikely for this to be true, however there are just as many who do not have that much and still are sharing what they do have. Personally I have no ****ing clue how much I have but I have put all but my extremely personal stuff up for sharing(ie family pictures,programs with personal information) and I am going through my computer looking for anything I might have missed.
But to deny access to someone who has a limited amount of files available but to take from them is almost as bad as freeloading. You are in a way doing the exact same thing to them as the freeloaders are doing to you now.

Wolf June 30th, 2002 03:59 PM

Freeloaders
 
I think everyone dances to the beat of a different drummer. I share over 10+ gigs and frankly I don't want to know who is freeloading and who isn't. I'd like to think that Xolox has a good community of people and being paranoid about who is leaching and who isn't requires too much energy from me.

I lived in an international house in Japan for two years and we had one computer shared by all. Our landlord had hired an egotistical computer tech who kept track of what was on the computer if he didn't put it on there he'd delete it immediately and the landlord would fine us for abusing the computer. These were back in the days of Napster and the very beginnings of Bearshare and as much as I would have liked to share the files I downloaded, I didn't have a choice. Though I know not everyone is in that position I was, I can't be bothered to get worked up about it.

I'm sure there are some people who are simply scared that the RIAA or some law enforcement agency is going to go after them just for sharing something, I don't know, I will simply continue to share and support the p2p community because its such a great way to share and I'm happy to see people downloading from me and hopefully appreciating whatever file they download.


Wolf

kohansujimichi July 1st, 2002 09:52 AM

im Sharing 989 MB !

Wolf July 3rd, 2002 01:02 AM

Kohansujimichi,

Thats great! 900+ is a lot. Don't let it get you down :) If I had more drive space and knowledge of what people wanted I'd throw all my cds directly on my hard drive. If you're only sharing a single file you're involving yourself in the great community of p2p file sharing. Good on you, I'd buy you a beer if I knew where you were ;) Its important for all of us to have courage and take care of someone who shares even a single file so our community will grow in strength which I think is wonderful.

I've used a lot of p2p programs and I will tell you, and Team Xolox, that it is thanks to them that I've been influenced enough to involve myself here, I think its wonderful. Had Xolox never existed I can say honestly I'd be another Unregistered user or not a user at all :)

Unregistered July 3rd, 2002 07:21 AM

I have over 400 Diffferent Music Files Im sharing then the Rest are progs Document's and VIDEOS !!! some r Pics too !

also Im not Old Enough to Drink but don't Tell any one :))

Also Soon My Anime Studio Im prt of will have some Files on its Site but We just got the Domain- www.Studio-sweet-sentiments.com

Unregistered July 4th, 2002 12:28 AM

The real problem with leeches
 
As I see it, the real problem is people see file-sharing networks as a repository they can tap in to get some files and then disconnect! (Kind of like visiting a web of ftp site.)

This behaviour counts for the most leeching imho.

The are several reasons for ppl to behave like this;
- bandwidth considerations (upload limits opposed by their provider)
- resource considerations (not using their PC, or being online 24/7)
- social considerations (unwilling to return the favor of sharing)

All these problems need their own specific solution, which I can't even begin to tackle.

This post is merely to create some awareness to the underlying problems. Any comments?

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 04:34 PM

I agree, because that's how I see it and use it. I see or hear a song somewhere and I'll try to find it. I'm not a leech I share what I have when I'm online but definately all the fileheads that want to restrict D/L to who they feel is worthy of getting what they have ruin the p2p experience for me. This is file sharing and to those who have thousands of files in their collection let me ask at who's bandwidth expense did they manage to get all those files?

Maybe it's time they stopped being on a power trip because they have such a large collection and realize that it's time to give a little back!


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