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View Poll Results: Which client do you like best?
BearShare 13 17.11%
LimeWire 27 35.53%
Gnucleus 16 21.05%
MyNapster 0 0%
Gnotella 8 10.53%
PHEX 12 15.79%
Voters: 76. You may not vote on this poll

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Old July 17th, 2001
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Default So what is it then?

None of the client data is from my downloads. All the client data is from me uploading to other people only.

If I am uploading then they are downloading, right? So I am uploading to them and they are downloading from me. And if I was downloading from them, then they would be uploading to me. What is wrong with that? How do you say it?

What is wrong with saying "downloading from me?" They are downloading a file, and I am the one that they are download it from, so they are "downloading from me."

"2. The "data" is not the "18.5 gigs" that I uploaded, it is the data that I collected about those people that downloaded from me, i.e. what client & version they were using, what country, IP, host, time of day, etc."
This is the "downloading from me" that you are talking about right?

Here what about this?
Arrow = data flow
my downloads - Me <-- Them
my uploads - Me --> Them
downloads from me - Me --> Them
uploads to me - Me <-- Them

So is that wrong?

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Old July 17th, 2001
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Default Not trying to argue

I am not trying to argue. Lots of people were asking about which client is best and which one should I use, stuff like that. But which one is best is totally personal prefrence and any answer to that would be totally biased, so I desided to collect some data about client popularity on the network. It may not be perfect because it is such a small about of GBytes and Files, all from one person's uploads, over a short period of time, not all the clients were identified, etc., but at least it would not be biased. And I think that is what the newbies wanted, was a unbiased idea of what clients other people were using.

Sorry if you don't like the numbers. They are not what I expected either. As you can see from the fluctuation in the percents over just a few GBytes, they are by no means a perfect representation of the real network. But I believe they are accurate enough to be of some worth to people new to the network.
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Old July 17th, 2001
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Thumbs up Re: zeroshadow

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Okay, I think I get it. The upload/download thing was that you weren't consistent with either saying "uploading" and "downloading from me".


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Old July 17th, 2001
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Ya, you are right I am not very consistent with the terminology I need to work on that. If it is a little confusing to a Senior Member then I bet it would be really confuse to a Junior Member.
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Its unfortunate about bear share because that has really made Vinnie arrogant, and threatening other gnutella clients in how they should act, by threatening to use their software to block them out.

I would urge those who use Bearshare to stop using it, and to try out <b>Phex</b> or even Limewire. Phex is by far the best client I have used, I share a lot of files and with Bearshare and Limewire I would not get much in return, when I got phex I was finaly feeling like I am getting back what I put into the network, this is greatly due to their auto re-search feature, that automaticly checks to see if a file is available from another client, meaning I can leave the Phex alone to do its thing and it will work with out me. My results went from 1-2 a night to 6-7 a night. When I told my friend about it, he had recieved similar results, he was impressed by Phex.

Now Vinnie is threatening Phex, and seeing the user base BearShare has, its really sad to see that such an arrogant jerk has that kind of power.
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Your a ****ing moron, bearshare is better then phex thats why BEARSHARE HAS MORE USERS AND PHEX IS SCREWING UP THE GNUTELLA NETWORK, Vinnie is only concerned about gnutella, so **** off leech, your probably just using *leechware* like phex because you are not sharing enough files.
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Currently the poll says this...

BearShare 23.08%
LimeWire 30.77%
Gnucleus 23.08%
MyNapster 0%
Gnotella 7.69%
Phex 15.38%

This is out of a measly 13 votes... in real world experience from running my own gnutella client (I run phex)... out of 101 unique IP address clients that connect to download from me...

BearShare 42 (41.6%)
LimeWire 40 (39.6%)
Gnotella 15 (14.9%)
Gnucleus 3 (3%)
Phex 1 (1%)

Of course these are people downloading from me, and are partly skewed by the files I provide.
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Old July 18th, 2001
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For the 101 unique IP addresses how many GBytes and files were there, so we have a reference to compare with? Next time I will add unique IP addresses to mine.
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good question.... aproximately 1.5GB and 357 Files, and they were wide ranging from images videos and audio files... I dont think I will go in to the specifics of what those files were
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Moved this post info to the top one, so it would be easier to see.

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