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Java isn't scary
 

I dont see how java could crash your router/firewall ... unless you are using some software firewall ... like zone alarm ... blackice... norton personal firewall ... all of which are crappy system hogs ... if you want a true firewall/router go to your local pc store and buy one ... less than a hundred bucks will hook you up. Then you can use java ..... if you aint using java ... you're definately missing out.

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4/download.html

follow the link to get the Sun Microsystems java 2 latest release .... best yet. :D

Re: Java isn't scary
 

LMAO

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Java is gay, the only thing it's good for is portability.

Think about this... Limewire is written in Java. This is probably it's main strength, and it's main weakness. The good thing is, it can run on Windows, Mac/MacOSX, or Linux. The bad thing about it is ... well, it's Java. :rolleyes: Even with the ability to run on any platform, and lots of cutting edge features, Limewire, comes in at, what, third now? Behind Bearshare and Morpheus? (I could be wrong about the coming in third, but that's the way I see it.) Java may be good if you're not running Windows, and you can't find any decent native software to run on your machine, but other than that.... bleh.

If I was running a Mac or Linux, though, I'd be using Limewire in a heartbeat.

Re: Re: Java isn't scary
 

i had no idea homosexuals were known for their portability... bisexuals i could understand, but... hmm.....

Re: Re: Re: Java isn't scary
 

;)

Re: Re: Java isn't scary
 

Java is gay? .... now that's the funniest thing I've ever heard ... Java's portability is what makes it so powerful ... and popular .... are you familar with C#? All it is as a language is (basically) is C, C++ and Java. Its the way Microsoft is going. Uncle Bill has learned a bit from the Mac and Linux crowd.

Hell, Mac OS X is bascially Linux anyway.

Portability
 

Yes, I gave you the portability part, but in being so portable, JAVA programs lose alot of functionality. They're much slower than they would be if they were written in C, or even VB, first of all... Nothing OS specific can really be written into the programs, which brings up alot of compatibility issues... The interfaces are usually pretty crappy... Oh, and the worst thing of all, I can't use my dam scrolly mouse :eek: ;) . I could go on.
I know you don't really think Java is a superior language, do you? Portability, yes. You can run a Java program on just about anything, but useability is where it is really lacking.

Oh, and I don't really see how C# has anything at all to do with Java. They may have pulled a few ideas from Java, but it's a totally different language, and doesn't suffer from the same shortcomings Java does. However, it's definately lacking on the portability side of things. (I think) C# programs only run on Windows, correct?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/te...sharpintro.asp

yup but...
 

Everything starts somewhare, why not start with the best selling most popular, one way or the other, OS?

Re: Portability
 

OK ... You're right ... I'm wrong. :)

And I like my scrolie mouse ... which works just fine thanks. ;)

Re: Portability
 

This is not a very specific criticism. With a programming language no matter if it's Assembler, Java or Pascal you can usually do almost everything.

That's a common prejudice, but it's not really based upon facts. First, you usually don't use Java for high performance applications (like video-stream encoding/decoding) where speed is such an importance. Second, the speed difference is usually no more than 30-50% and that is not noticable on to days systems (in C it uses 5% of your CPU resources, in Java 7% the difference is minimal). The one thing that slows down Java most is loading the Java VM on startup which takes a few seconds.

There are many OS specific features you could add (it's no problem to write non-portable Java programs, really), and Java actually has had scroll mouse support for some time.

Well, if that's where you're coming from, I know your reasons for not liking Java.