I never claimed BearShare wasn't clustering. And if BearShare was blocking you then what connections of theirs would there be for you to block?

And now you claim that the alleged blocking by BearShare is destroying Gnutella, so you want to block people in some sort of defense?

That is like shooting yourself in the head to defend yourself from someone about to shoot you in the head.

> Originally posted by Sephiroth
>No my defination of a fair and open gnuella is more like a "market system."
Just like the RIAA, with greed and all, that works real good so far. This isn't a market, it's file trading "get that in your head".

>Programs are not ment to be equal.
You went way off topic with this one, I think a few brain cells came lose.

>Really your not paying the bills to keep the host cache online nor do you have any right to tell anyone how to run their program.
We don't need host caches anymore, remember? Limewire shut theirs down. Gnucleus uses IRC. Open source just whooped right past the pay for clients on this one! We don't need greed!

I think it took Swabby about three days to get "swarming" downloads working, and about 3 or 4 to get ultrapeers going. Shows you that you don't need big bucks to do this.

>I think if it really was a problem im sure that the other developers would have spoken up by now..
They did, they are, they made blocking and choice a reality. Did you help?

>Because i dont think that they need you looking out for their interest thats really their own responisbility..
This is everyone's responsibility and everyone's concern that shares files via P2P. Greed has screwed things up and it will only get worse as more people get on. The more $$ potential, the more people will try to make a buck off of our computer resources. We have to stop this now.

>And no you didnt comment on why its ok for a program like openp2pnet to block gnutella programs and how that make gnutella fair and open..
I will comment. Turn about is fair play. A armed society is a polite society, etc...

You now have a choice, and a weapon against greedy people who want to make a buck off your "fair and open" file trading/swapping.
My concept of fair is when I swap with other like minded people without a thrid party making a buck from my efforts.
I am not "open" to greedy people who think everything I do should make them a buck.

Pay for clients offer nothing if they don't provide a service. Napster provided servers, but that isn't possible on a truly free suit proof swap system and the lawyers are proving it.
As long as no profit is made between two people swaping there isn't much the lawyers can do because money didn't trade hands.
Copyrights were designed to stop those greedy people who printed 100,000 copies of records etc. and sold them for a large profit. Not for the small trader like on P2P for free.

It looks to me that people now have a opportunity to halt the greed before it gets to hard to stop. I hope they realize that this type of opportunity doesn't come along every day. Timing is everything.

Actually this isn't file trading, it's file sharing "get that in your head." If you want file trading go start up a ratio ftp server.

good spoken!

I ment the other unregistered

>Originally posted by mrgone4662
>And if BearShare was blocking you then what connections of theirs would there be for you to block?
The ones that use my computer network resources by connecting to me to support their "network" that they charge for (by whatever means, spyware, adware).

Pay for clients will be "blocking" the free clients soon enough. It will be done when they form their own little networks after developing a user base off of all of our collective trading efforts and computer resources.

Stop them now!

>And now you claim that the alleged blocking by BearShare is destroying Gnutella, so you want to block people in some sort of defense?
No, we are blocking the client, people can still download a free client and continue trading without spamware/spyware, knowing their efforts are not going towards anyone's new car purchases. Network size remains the same because people just dump pay for clients.

No difference to the file trader at all, except for the lack of ads and SPAM!

This is good because it can happen over a period of time, not when some greedy client throws a switch and decides to make his own name brand network.
Shouldn't I get paid for providing the network services that they make a profit on? After all, it costs me electricity and connect fees doesn't it? Where do I send the bill?

I think we know your point of view by now. What your motivation is anyone's gue$$. This does not affect the users, it affects the people who are leeching off of our computer resources/time to make a buck.

Now I am not allowed to post? how often did I post on bearshare.net and I didn´t talk to you and YOU replied???

OF COURSE I AM MOAK ALL PEOPLE HERE KNOW THAT!!! :rolleyes:

And I fake all post from Vinnie on bearshare.net, in the GDF and here... :D

And you and mrgone are very polite people who of course not insult... ;)

I wonder because you said a few days ago you will leave and go to zeropaid... now you are back? And will tell me how I have to do my job??? Raise a poll and ask the users here if they think I am doing a bad job... if they agree I retreat if not...

And CycloCide can handle this thread and close it, of course he can!

Or do you think I am CycloCide too? :p

Yes very good statement - instead of posting arguements you post that we are all bad... hmm... perhaps if you post some REAL arguements the people would reply with arguements too???

But if you insult the people and think they will reply friendly you are wrong!

Morgwen

P.S.:

Next time when you check my IP on bearshare.net you should also compare the HOST names!!! :D

MOAK AND ME HAVE ONLY THE SAME PROVIDER!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Morgwen

So...

Sephiroth I ask Kathw to edit the FLAMES out... she is very fair and wise...

Morgwen

P.S.:

Or do you think she is me??? :D

Prove your conspiracy theory.