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Unregistered May 25th, 2002 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by Unregistered
spyware is a lame excuse for people who don't know how to run a proper business, which includes proper marketing, advertising and sales.
good point!

Vinnie May 25th, 2002 07:27 PM

Wrong again
 
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Originally posted by Abaris
Adam: is there a reason to completely stop support for 0.4 clients?
There have been a lot of accusations and crap leveled at me for dropping 0.4 connection support but the simple fact is that the 0.6 handshake method is a MUCH more robust system for implementing "temp hosts".

In other words, when a 0.4 host connects to you and you are "full" (i.e. you have no free host slots) you have no choice but to send them 10 (or so) pongs and then disconnect.

During this time, the other host is free to send you queries and pings and pongs and what not, and you have no choice but to accept them (since shutting down the receiver would cause a TCP RESET and prevent the pongs from being delivered).

Using the 0.6 handshake, it is possible to inform the remote end that the servent is full, still deliver alternate IP addresses (via X-Try) and gracefully close the connection.

And its even possible to avoid a TIME_WAIT state, by simply waiting for the remote end to shut down (if you were the one who accepted the connection).

Clearly, this is WAY more efficient than supporting the old 0.4 connections. Personally, I *like* clean code, and it was very therapeutic to lop off the old 0.4 code since what was left is much cleaner, less buggy, and easier to work on.

It also performs much better, and allows us to leave the user with NO time wait states.

But there are certain people (called Trolls) who are just pissed off for one reason or another (admittedly I might have rubbed a few people the wrong way in the past), and see fit to criticize both BearShare and Vinnie (that's me) for dropping 0.4 connection support.

Vinnie May 25th, 2002 07:33 PM

Re: stuff
 
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Originally posted by Nosferatu
So how does it hurt the network if we cluster all non-Bears in response? In fact, arguably, we are achieving nothing, since the bears are already clustered 'away' from us, there is no real need for us to cluster 'away' from them.
Let me point out that our "query-mesh" proposal (see GDF paper) allows the ENTIRE gnutella network to be searched given sufficient time. Once this is adopted, clustering becomes a non-issue (since every node can be reached).

Vinnie May 25th, 2002 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by afisk
LimeWire is the best damn client ever! Just kidding. LimeWire is the worst client ever!! No wait, that doesn't work either. Do you want us to maybe say that we're the forth best client? The fifth?
ROFL!

Unregistered May 26th, 2002 01:41 AM

Re: Wrong again
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Vinnie
There have been a lot of accusations and crap leveled at me for dropping 0.4 connection support but the simple fact is that the 0.6 handshake method is a MUCH more robust system for implementing "temp hosts".
You can try to justify this all you want, but the timing of it and your PUBLIC hate for XoloX at that time is too coincidental. Your "technical" rant has been the same from day one, maybe if you tell the story enough even you will believe it.
You could have left it working for a while longer, it's already written code and it wasn't like you had to write MORE code to keep supporting it for a little while longer, but you knew that it would put that last knife in the back of XoloX.
Hope it was "very therapeutic to lop off" XoloX.
Now XoloX is back along with Gnucleus with .6 handshake AND MORE, and you are eating dust. Hope your therapist can handle all your rage lately since you are losing your little "game" and all your little schemes and plans are blowing up in your face.
And yes, you have rubbed a whole lot of people the wrong way since you started this, it's your personality, and you can't go back and change that. It's not just the XoloX thing that makes people "dislike" you, it's a whole bunch of things you have done. Ask your therapist.

Vinnie June 2nd, 2002 07:04 AM

YES
 
I want a Vinnie/Borg T-Shirt!!!! Where do I get one?

Moak June 12th, 2002 12:26 AM

Re: YES
 
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Originally posted by Vinnie
I want a Vinnie/Borg T-Shirt!!!! Where do I get one?
this guy definitely has humour :) Well, send me a high resolution picture, last one was taken from your homepage. Then I can prepare an artwork for printing... maybe with a Lime-borg-cube in back. Usually you can print t-shirts in every bigger city for a few bucks.

Bobo the Red June 16th, 2002 11:16 AM

Vinnie?
 
Who the hell is Vinnie?

Taliban June 16th, 2002 11:52 AM

Vinnie as an excentric philantrophist from Miami Beach, Florida who happens to be the creator of Bearshare.

Unregistered June 16th, 2002 11:07 PM

Vinnie is a kid with a attitude like bill gates, win, win, win at all costs. Who cares who you use or who you stomp on as long as you win.

ursula June 16th, 2002 11:29 PM

Vinnie is all of the above and more!


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