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One that know simply change ISP, I have never switched to cable here in my country because it is in a permanent "firewalled state" (without pubblic IP, if you don't pay an additional fee; it is like a private LAN of cable users when you see it from external internet).
Cable to cable is unfirewalled, cable to normal internet is firewalled; there is also a custom version of eMule for this cable provider.
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... cable here in my country ... is in a permanent "firewalled state" (without pubblic IP, if you don't pay an additional fee; it is like a private LAN of cable users when you see it from external internet).
Cable to cable is unfirewalled, cable to normal internet is firewalled...
Thanks, I had no idea about this. I am presuming this is not universal with all cable companies. I appear to find a significant number of ultrapeers from countries worldwide that use cable.
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… a port (usually 80 or 443) exposed on their IP.
I occasionally see ultrapeers with port 80 but this might be for a different reason. An example was one using Cabos but not using cable. I can verify a particular cable using host having used port 80 but they are using an app that can utilize forced ultrapeer mode. I've wondered if this is the case. (I'm against forced ultrapeer mode being available in apps except perhaps for testing. I talked bigjx into removing it from WireShare because it potentially damages the network if the host is firewalled.)

As for VPN, yeah no doubt people should do the research about each specific VPN. As a whole, USA might not be the best place to obtain one but that's purely IMHO from what I've read about each one's protection policies and potential for government or other interference.
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I occasionally see ultrapeers with port 80 but this might be for a different reason. An example was one using Cabos but not using cable. I can verify a particular cable using host having used port 80 but they are using an app that can utilize forced ultrapeer mode. I've wondered if this is the case. (I'm against forced ultrapeer mode being available in apps except perhaps for testing. I talked bigjx into removing it from WireShare because it potentially damages the network if the host is firewalled.)
It wouldn't be so bad to have force ultrapeer, if it was only able to function as a way to initiate a network. Once a network was built up statistics should determine who is an ultrapeer. If the option is selected it should atleast be tested against someones firewall status. If you cannot listen from your external IP, then it should be forced disabled.

I think some apps will note behavior of ultrapeers that cannot preform as expected. Probably because some clients have an outdated idea of what good performance is, and haven't been updated to modern capacities (I haven't looked at enough client code to know).

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As for VPN, yeah no doubt people should do the research about each specific VPN. As a whole, USA might not be the best place to obtain one but that's purely IMHO from what I've read about each one's protection policies and potential for government or other interference.
Completely agree with you. The US is a ugly place right now. But you can see that disease ardently spreading.
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Once a network was built up statistics should determine who is an ultrapeer.
From my understanding, the network does this itself. I don't believe tampering with this is necessarily beneficial for the network IMHO. Low average uptime hosts do not necessarily deserve UP status (particularly but not only if their ip addressing is highly dynamic.)

Possible misconception: Many people seem to think being an ultrapeer means you get better search results. I recall one of the original FrostWire devs & a major LW contributor saying (on this forum) that leafs actually obtain a superior search horizon than UP's. Of course that can potentially be hampered by dud or poorly performing UP's along the way, etc.
In my personal (and recent) testing on this leaf versus ultrapeer topic, I found as a leaf I was getting more search results for the same search terms than when I connected as an ultrapeer. Example: around 120 compared to around or over 200. A notable difference and this test repeated over several sessions.

Sorry this post is actually off-topic from your original thread topic.
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Sorry this post is actually off-topic from your original thread topic.
No problem. It is still good discussion.

I'm glad you looked into the Ipv4/Ipv6 data.

In a world where Ipv6 was used by the majority of providers, I wonder if it would change Fastweb's mind on its service practices. As things sit right now, they could almost come off as trying to help with the addressing problem. Dirty pool :|

My provider (cable not fiber) kinda suck also. While they do give me external world port access, they charge the same for their slowest connection package. I get 10Mbps down/3.5Mbps and pay a little more than what a friend of mine pays for fiber(200 miles away). People only 50 miles away from me get the same connection speed at half the cost.
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One that know simply change ISP, I have never switched to cable here in my country because it is in a permanent "firewalled state" (without pubblic IP, if you don't pay an additional fee; it is like a private LAN of cable users when you see it from external internet).
Cable to cable is unfirewalled, cable to normal internet is firewalled; there is also a custom version of eMule for this cable provider.
It is interesting that they don't firewall cable to cable. Is there a big difference is speed between connection inside and outside the network?
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It is interesting that they don't firewall cable to cable. Is there a big difference is speed between connection inside and outside the network?
I don't know but I think probably yes.

It isn't a real firewall, it is like a private LAN without the possibility of doing port forwarding or use UPnP.
All your PCs in the LAN see eachother directly, instead PCs over the internet see only the IP of your router and not the IPs of PCs in the LAN.

So all users of this ISP see every other directly, but they aren't seen directly from outside.
As example 100 different people (the number is an example) of this ISP may be seen from internet as having the same IP; if one website ban a single IP it is actually banning a lot of people.

The ISP is Fastweb and the eMule mod is "eMule AdunanzA".
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I don't know but I think probably yes.

It isn't a real firewall, it is like a private LAN without the possibility of doing port forwarding or use UPnP.
All your PCs in the LAN see eachother directly, instead PCs over the internet see only the IP of your router and not the IPs of PCs in the LAN.

So all users of this ISP see every other directly, but they aren't seen directly from outside.
As example 100 different people (the number is an example) of this ISP may be seen from internet as having the same IP; if one website ban a single IP it is actually banning a lot of people.

The ISP is Fastweb and the eMule mod is "eMule AdunanzA".
Do they offer a business class account that provides you with an independent static IP and external port access or would you have to go through a different provider?

Does you modem receive an IPV4 or IPV6 address? I assume the external world IP is IPV4?
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... So all users of this ISP see every other directly, but they aren't seen directly from outside...
I have major doubts all fibre-optic services around the world would work in that same way.
I am wondering if the Fastweb company is using that custom technique to greatly reduce it's rollout and/or running costs. Such as the licensing costs of ip addresses.
Even the company name FastWeb sounds like a marketing tool to simply offer fast speeds but limited options for a cheap to fair price.

I wonder if the ipv4 address is in fact an ipv6 address but shows up on ipv4 systems as a private networking address.

Do you know if any of them (your friends) use fibre-optic net phones?

Edit: Long reads & cannot be bothered reading it all. Just investigating the ipv4 & ipv6 conversion techniques.
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Note that ISPs may have multiple subscribers share a public IPv4 address by performing NAT (Carrier-Grade NAT in this context). In this case, the subscribers' home gateways may receive an address in the 100.64.0.0/10 block [RFC6598]. For the purposes of tunnel mechanisms, this address block is similar to the RFC 1918 address blocks. However, tunnel implementations that are aware of NAT and RFC 1918 addresses may not recognise 100.64.0.0/10 as non-public addresses and fail to operate successfully.
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A VPN would still work fine, so long as it was hosted via a commercial internet service. The only issues being encryption with law enforcement backdoors and the VPN service being held liable for how its service is used.

Again, I'm not say this is going to happen (anytime relatively soon). This is just a thought experiment.

I do believe that one day, in a far away time, it will be this way. But by that time the devices we use won't be capable of running anything but a workstation that only has the internal resources to connect to a network, load data to ram and process graphics. The device would be nothing more than a tool for remote access to a virtual machine that runs on some cloud. Very far away stuff, but make no mistake it will end up there one day. There are companies using this already, like retailers (Wal-mart, Target, etc.).

For now I am just looking at firewalling and dynamic IPs.
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