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Haha - hobo, true. But that's not the case here. I'm not looking to CREATE problems. I just have one, and from what people have said, it hasn't made it go away.
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Well you are going to have to change the definition of integrity for that one to fly.

And I never said I wanted Google to sensor any results.

And yes I do have a problem with anybody that uses deceit to make money off of people that are making an honest living. If the only way a person can make a living is by lying, cheating, deceiving, or any other dishonest means quite frankly suck.

You can defend the practice all you want but it still is not going to change the fact that it is not right.

And there have been thieves thought history but that doesn't make it right. And if a person does not care about how they get other peoples hard earned money or who they hurt in the process then it is wrong.

And yes on this issue and any other issue of integrity or morality somebody has to be right and somebody has to be wrong.

If all the people in the world believed as you do this world would be a very sad place. Can you imagine how life would be if we all lived by that type of moral standards. What a great place to live it would be than God it is not.

And yes people do get paid for advertising and spamming and one way to spread it is through P2P networks but that goes back to integrity and morality. So your own argument is biting you on the ***. As you said they have the right to have a idea and make money from it.
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Your argument just turned to 100% opinion, 0% fact. You didn't respond to my point - which is Google is NOT immoral, and just because there is a marketplace and they're making money WHILE PROVIDING A WIN-WIN SERVICE - (they're not the ones to determine what's legal and illegal, though they still do their best to protect their uses) - that they're suddenly illegal.

God forbid someone actually provides a service to make an honest living, right? Because anyone without YOUR job or a job like it is suddenly immoral - in your subjective, twisted, righteous opinion.
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Not illegal - immoral* (reguarding Google practices, you say)
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By the way yeah - Google doesn't censor results (which you know) but they DO catalogue all the information and using special search engine algorithms put forth the most valuable and relevant information to any related search topic. They do what they can.

I just don't see where you could call them immoral in any sense. Unless you want to call all marketplaces immoral.
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Yes I say Immoral or lack of morality/integrity since they are supporting these sites that use deceptive advertising for profit. And they are supporting them by accepting $$$ from them to place them in the first results of searches.

100% opinion 0% fact I guess the definition of integrity is wrong. you can argue with accepted definitions all you want but it isn't going to change the definition.

The company that I work for has based it business on honesty and morality. And by the way it is the 2nd largest in the nation and growing all the time. Because of it's stand on the issues of honesty and morality. Caring about it's employs and there family's and we do 100s of millions of dollars of business every year based on those concepts.
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Right well enough about you, more about Google. It's moral - but you say it's not because it supports that kind of advertising - who cares where they put it. It's in the "SPONSORED RESULT" box, which is clearly paid advertising.

The fact is - those people aren't BREAKING ANY LAWS - and that's what Google has to worry about. Granted, many times they fish out those kinds of sites and ban them - but it's not GOOGLES place as an information medium and marketplace to judge the law like that. Let the law decide.

So why blame GOOGLE for that?
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I am not blaming Google for anything. I was just questioning you use of the word integrity when describing Google and its practice.

There is no integrity in placing the sponsored ad's as the first results. You say every body knows they are scam sites but that statement just isn't true.

Allot of people click on the first site they come to when doing a search. They do not know they are being scammed and think since it is the first site it is the most trusted site. That statement has been made over and over in this forum by people who have been taken by these sites. The facts are in the threads I sugested you read before there are 22 pages of them. More than most any other subject in this forum.

Now you can not tell me that you think that Google or the sites that pay Google do not know this. Thus the integrity/morality issue.
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I think they created a fine medium, and these poor poor scammed people I don't have sympathy for. It's just like any other advertising medium - buyers beware. Like I said, the law is sound - it's not Google's fault, nor are they immoral for upholding that. Just like commercials aren't, just like classified ads aren't.

People still need the pay attention online to what they buy. If "SPONSORED RESULT" suddenly gives their company instant credibility then I guess "LESSON LEARNED" for these folk.

Good job, Google, teaching the world to be a less naive place. I still think Google is providing a solid medium for advertising that's in no way immoral, but I also understand your point.

Those borderline scam sites having first result (not really.. more like SPONSORED PAID ADVERTISING RESULT) would make it seem kind of non integrous. But then, I thought you didn't BLAME Google for that.

I think in fact, you do blame Google for that and call them nonintegrous on those grounds. I disagree, because it's just the Law's issue, Google is the medium provider. They're not doing anything wrong, and uphold sound principles.

I'm not going to feel sorry for these poor "scammed" folks when they're the ones making the decision, not Google. You can't BLAME Google for having this advertising medium - pick on the Law to find that ****.
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chris... maybe if you read first THEN insert your foot, you might figure out that everyone is trying to explain something to you. you sound just like a teen, everything or nothing. try to make someone else look bad to deflect it from yourself. you might start by using words like "most" or "some".

as far as my typing, I'M not TRYING to impress anyone.

p.s. i resubmit my "solution" to you chris....
p.s.s. opinions are like assholes, everyone has one!
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